Table of contents:

• "Rogaine" the Northern Cardinal
• 3 White Morph REDDISH EGRETS on Little St. Simons Island
• 7/17/04, Clayton and Henry counties
• AOU Supplement and Canada Goose split
• Agressive Clapper Rails
• Atlanta Audubon August Program
• Atlanta Audubon July meeting
• August 14 pelagic trip (2 messages)
• BLACK TERNS - Bartow Co
• Bald Eagle / Osprey - Fannin County
• Banding bluebirds?
• Barred Owls, Cochran Shoals
• Bewick's Wrens
• Bewick's Wrens in Chickamauga Park
• Bob white challenges cardinal
• CASPIAN TERN on Little St. Simons Island
• Canada Goose part deux (2 messages)
• Catoosa/Chattooga Cos., 7/25/04
• Chimney Swifts (2 messages)
• Clarke County Pigeon predation
• Cobb Co Green Heron, Great Egret
• Color Match Test
• Columbus River walk Birding
• Common Ground Dove
• Cooper's vs. redeyes
• Cory's Shearwater in numbers
• Cowbird
• Cumberland Island shorebirds
• Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area (2 messages)
• DeLorme Quadrants
• Dickcissels - Murray County
• Dominant Color Matching
• E. L. Huie
• Etowah wading birds
• Even MORE Wood Storks!!!
• FW: [GABO-L] Columbus River walk Birding Correction
• Final Call for Spring Reports
• Fish Crow now yard bird + misc.
• Fork-tailed Flycatcher
• Fork-tailed Flycatcher in FL
• Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 1, 2004
• Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 12, 2004
• Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 17, 2004
• Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 23, 2004
• Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 24, 2004
• Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 29, 2004
• Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 31, 2004
• Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 9, 2004
• Georgia's Top Ten Birding Sites (3 messages)
• Georgia's top ten birding sites
• Heron roost at Merry Ponds
• Hog Island Youth Camp
• Homeschoolers and Great Backyard Bird Count
• House Wrens nesting in Thomaston!
• Hutchinson Island and Statesboro Sod Farm
• Interesting Blue Jay behavior (2 messages)
• Interesting Summer Bird
• Jewelweeds and Jewelwings
• Kennesaw Mountain Birding Site Web page updates
• Kennesaw Mountain report (2 messages)
• Kennesaw Mountain report 7/11/04
• Kennesaw Mountain weekend update
• Kennesaw Mtn & Sod Farm birding update
• LARK SPARROW in Turner County
• LONG-BILLED CURLEW on Little St. Simons Island
• Lamar/Talbot/Taylor/Crawford Cos./EL Huie, 7/17/04
• Lowndes/Lanier/Clinch Cos., 7/23/2004
• Mississippi Kite
• Mississippi Kites, Watkinsville
• More places to check
• N. Cardinal (2 messages)
• On yard birds ...
• PIPING PLOVER Update from Little St. Simons Island
• PIPING PLOVER arrival on Little St. Simons Island
• Painted Buntings
• Pelican news broader than in Georgia
• Piedmont NWR, Bond's Swamp, etc.
• Pine Siskin in July
• Pine Siskins - Fannin county
• Purple Martin gone South
• RNP: Solitary Sandpiper, Louisiana Waterthrush
• Red-Cockaded WP Question (2 messages)
• Red-headed Woodpecker
• Revised Top 10 Georgia Birding Sites List
• SPCNP
• Saturday Field Trip
• Screech owls
• Song Sparrow range expansion?
• Swallow-tailed Kite
• Swallow-tailed Kite - Lowndes County
• Swallow-tailed kite, Oconee County
• Taliaferro/McDuffie Cos., 7/11/2004
• Thanks
• Various w/e birds
• Weekend Field Trip
• White-winged Dove and dispersal
• Wood Stork !!!!!
• Yellow-Crowned Night-Heron @ SPCNP
• Yellow-crowned Night Heron at SPCNP (2 messages)
• another kite, Clarke County
• another kite, Clarke County (date correction )
• bartow county farms/Kennesaw Mt
• central georgia biridng questions
• correction
• day of the ruffed grouse
• homeschoolers using Great Backyard Bird Count
• more dispersal: Roseate Spoonbill
• more wood storks!
• nestling Blue Grosbeak
• runt waterfowl eggs journal article
• stork nests in Poland
• strange sound
• where is Ivy Log Gap Road? (2 messages)

1. "Rogaine" the Northern Cardinal
   • "Rogaine" the Northern Cardinal (35 lines)
     From: Matthew Kuhl <Mtsk3110@AOL.COM>

2. 3 White Morph REDDISH EGRETS on Little St. Simons Island
   • 3 White Morph REDDISH EGRETS on Little St. Simons Island (54 lines)
     From: Brandon L. Noel <lssinat@MINDSPRING.COM>

3. 7/17/04, Clayton and Henry counties
   • 7/17/04, Clayton and Henry counties (39 lines)
     From: Carol Lambert or Jeff Sewell <lambertsewell@MINDSPRING.COM>

4. AOU Supplement and Canada Goose split
   • AOU Supplement and Canada Goose split (107 lines)
     From: Giff Beaton <giffbeaton@MINDSPRING.COM>

5. Agressive Clapper Rails
   • Agressive Clapper Rails (56 lines)
     From: Russ Wigh <rdwigh@BELLSOUTH.NET>

6. Atlanta Audubon August Program
   • Atlanta Audubon August Program (31 lines)
     From: Liz Horsey <lhorsey@MINDSPRING.COM>

7. Atlanta Audubon July meeting
   • Atlanta Audubon July meeting (30 lines)
     From: Liz Horsey <lhorsey@MINDSPRING.COM>

8. August 14 pelagic trip
   • August 14 pelagic trip (26 lines)
     From: Russ Wigh <rdwigh@BELLSOUTH.NET>
   • Re: August 14 pelagic trip (24 lines)
     From: nuthatch3@aol.com <Nuthatch3@AOL.COM>

9. BLACK TERNS - Bartow Co
   • BLACK TERNS - Bartow Co (42 lines)
     From: Steve Barlow <sb326@MAIL.GATECH.EDU>

10. Bald Eagle / Osprey - Fannin County
    • Bald Eagle / Osprey - Fannin County (61 lines)
      From: Tom Striker <tstriker@DIRECWAY.COM>

11. Banding bluebirds?
    • Banding bluebirds? (25 lines)
      From: Jennifer B. Griffith <jbgrif@MINDSPRING.COM>

12. Barred Owls, Cochran Shoals
    • Barred Owls, Cochran Shoals (28 lines)
      From: Mark Davis <MSDavisMD@AOL.COM>

13. Bewick's Wrens
    • Re: Bewick's Wrens (26 lines)
      From: SPANGLE <SPANGLE@AMERICOMFG.COM>

14. Bewick's Wrens in Chickamauga Park
    • Bewick's Wrens in Chickamauga Park (58 lines)
      From: SPANGLE <SPANGLE@AMERICOMFG.COM>

15. Bob white challenges cardinal
    • Bob white challenges cardinal (34 lines)
      From: bittaker <bittaker@ALLTEL.NET>

16. CASPIAN TERN on Little St. Simons Island
    • CASPIAN TERN on Little St. Simons Island (34 lines)
      From: Brandon L. Noel <Brandon@LITTLESTSIMONSISLAND.COM>

17. Canada Goose part deux
    • Canada Goose part deux (49 lines)
      From: Giff Beaton <giffbeaton@MINDSPRING.COM>
    • Re: Canada Goose part deux (46 lines)
      From: Steve Barlow <sb326@MAIL.GATECH.EDU>

18. Catoosa/Chattooga Cos., 7/25/04
    • Catoosa/Chattooga Cos., 7/25/04 (67 lines)
      From: James F. Flynn Jr. <jim.flynn@MINDSPRING.COM>

19. Chimney Swifts
    • Chimney Swifts (34 lines)
      From: Phyllis Sully <prsully@BELLSOUTH.NET>
    • Re: Chimney Swifts (60 lines)
      From: Kelly Bettinger <kbettinger@PLANTBIO.UGA.EDU>

20. Clarke County Pigeon predation
    • Clarke County Pigeon predation (28 lines)
      From: Michael Bender <mbender78@HOTMAIL.COM>

21. Cobb Co Green Heron, Great Egret
    • Cobb Co Green Heron, Great Egret (26 lines)
      From: Virginia Wood <Pshrink@AOL.COM>

22. Color Match Test
    • Color Match Test (37 lines)
      From: Mitchell Waite <mitch166@COMCAST.NET>

23. Columbus River walk Birding
    • Columbus River walk Birding (28 lines)
      From: Neal Cronic <NealC@KNOLOGY.NET>

24. Common Ground Dove
    • Common Ground Dove (34 lines)
      From: Doris Cohrs <doris_cohrs@YAHOO.COM>

25. Cooper's vs. redeyes
    • Cooper's vs. redeyes (42 lines)
      From: Malcolm Hodges <malhodges@WEBTV.NET>

26. Cory's Shearwater in numbers
    • Cory's Shearwater in numbers (57 lines)
      From: Russ Wigh <rdwigh@BELLSOUTH.NET>

27. Cowbird
    • Cowbird (40 lines)
      From: ajsophie <ajsophie@NETZERO.NET>

28. Cumberland Island shorebirds
    • Cumberland Island shorebirds (46 lines)
      From: Russ Wigh <rdwigh@BELLSOUTH.NET>

29. Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area
    • Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area (61 lines)
      From: Yvonne Bombardier <Ravenn439@ALLTEL.NET>
    • Re: Dawson Forest Wildlife Management Area (58 lines)
      From: James F. Flynn Jr. <jim.flynn@MINDSPRING.COM>

30. DeLorme Quadrants
    • DeLorme Quadrants (28 lines)
      From: Dot Freeman <dotfreeman@ATT.NET>

31. Dickcissels - Murray County
    • Dickcissels - Murray County (55 lines)
      From: Dot Freeman <dotfreeman@ATT.NET>

32. Dominant Color Matching
    • Dominant Color Matching (37 lines)
      From: Mitchell Waite <mitch166@COMCAST.NET>

33. E. L. Huie
    • E. L. Huie (74 lines)
      From: Yvonne Bombardier <Ravenn439@ALLTEL.NET>

34. Etowah wading birds
    • Etowah wading birds (45 lines)
      From: Steve Barlow <sb326@MAIL.GATECH.EDU>

35. Even MORE Wood Storks!!!
    • Even MORE Wood Storks!!! (24 lines)
      From: lynn schlup <mockingbird@GARDENER.COM>

36. FW: [GABO-L] Columbus River walk Birding Correction
    • FW: [GABO-L] Columbus River walk Birding Correction (50 lines)
      From: Neal Cronic <NealC@KNOLOGY.NET>

37. Final Call for Spring Reports
    • Final Call for Spring Reports (37 lines)
      From: rdnc <rdnc@EARTHLINK.NET>

38. Fish Crow now yard bird + misc.
    • Fish Crow now yard bird + misc. (33 lines)
      From: Vicki DeLoach <VLDELOACH@AOL.COM>

39. Fork-tailed Flycatcher
    • Fork-tailed Flycatcher (29 lines)
      From: Mike Ivie <mikeivie@BELLSOUTH.NET>

40. Fork-tailed Flycatcher in FL
    • Fork-tailed Flycatcher in FL (28 lines)
      From: Dot Freeman <dotfreeman@ATT.NET>

41. Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 1, 2004
    • Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 1, 2004 (122 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

42. Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 12, 2004
    • Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 12, 2004 (95 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

43. Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 17, 2004
    • Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 17, 2004 (121 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

44. Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 23, 2004
    • Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 23, 2004 (72 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

45. Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 24, 2004
    • Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 24, 2004 (143 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

46. Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 29, 2004
    • Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 29, 2004 (117 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

47. Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 31, 2004
    • Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 31, 2004 (148 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

48. Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 9, 2004
    • Georgia RBA - Statewide - July 9, 2004 (136 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

49. Georgia's Top Ten Birding Sites
    • Georgia's Top Ten Birding Sites (40 lines)
      From: Dan Roper <RopersFive@AOL.COM>
    • Re: Georgia's Top Ten Birding Sites (69 lines)
      From: Julie and Walt <jules7@MINDSPRING.COM>
    • Georgia's Top Ten Birding Sites (44 lines)
      From: Swillis <swillis@WAYXCABLE.COM>

50. Georgia's top ten birding sites
    • Georgia's top ten birding sites (42 lines)
      From: Larry N. Ross <lnrsaw@MINDSPRING.COM>

51. Heron roost at Merry Ponds
    • Heron roost at Merry Ponds (34 lines)
      From: Lois <croakie@COMCAST.NET>

52. Hog Island Youth Camp
    • Hog Island Youth Camp (60 lines)
      From: Matthew Kuhl <Mtsk3110@AOL.COM>

53. Homeschoolers and Great Backyard Bird Count
    • Homeschoolers and Great Backyard Bird Count (30 lines)
      From: Victoria Smith <victoria.streib.smith@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

54. House Wrens nesting in Thomaston!
    • House Wrens nesting in Thomaston! (28 lines)
      From: michael beohm <michaelbeohm@YAHOO.COM>

55. Hutchinson Island and Statesboro Sod Farm
    • Hutchinson Island and Statesboro Sod Farm (45 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

56. Interesting Blue Jay behavior
    • Interesting Blue Jay behavior (43 lines)
      From: Jeff Madsen <jeff.madsen@TURNER.COM>
    • Re: Interesting Blue Jay behavior (70 lines)
      From: Kelly Bettinger <kbettinger@PLANTBIO.UGA.EDU>

57. Interesting Summer Bird
    • Interesting Summer Bird (26 lines)
      From: N. T. Ivey <tyivey@JUNO.COM>

58. Jewelweeds and Jewelwings
    • Jewelweeds and Jewelwings (66 lines)
      From: Mark Davis <MSDavisMD@AOL.COM>

59. Kennesaw Mountain Birding Site Web page updates
    • Kennesaw Mountain Birding Site Web page updates (53 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

60. Kennesaw Mountain report
    • Kennesaw Mountain report (36 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>
    • Re: Kennesaw Mountain report (23 lines)
      From: Linda Burgess <rami49@GBRONLINE.COM>

61. Kennesaw Mountain report 7/11/04
    • Kennesaw Mountain report 7/11/04 (34 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

62. Kennesaw Mountain weekend update
    • Kennesaw Mountain weekend update (46 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

63. Kennesaw Mtn & Sod Farm birding update
    • Kennesaw Mtn & Sod Farm birding update (53 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

64. LARK SPARROW in Turner County
    • LARK SPARROW in Turner County (30 lines)
      From: bob zaremba <bobzarem@PRODIGY.NET>

65. LONG-BILLED CURLEW on Little St. Simons Island
    • LONG-BILLED CURLEW on Little St. Simons Island (53 lines)
      From: Brandon L. Noel <Brandon@LITTLESTSIMONSISLAND.COM>

66. Lamar/Talbot/Taylor/Crawford Cos./EL Huie, 7/17/04
    • Lamar/Talbot/Taylor/Crawford Cos./EL Huie, 7/17/04 (96 lines)
      From: James F. Flynn Jr. <jim.flynn@MINDSPRING.COM>

67. Lowndes/Lanier/Clinch Cos., 7/23/2004
    • Lowndes/Lanier/Clinch Cos., 7/23/2004 (103 lines)
      From: James F. Flynn Jr. <jim.flynn@MINDSPRING.COM>

68. Mississippi Kite
    • Mississippi Kite (28 lines)
      From: Lydia Thompson <artworksbylydia@THEBEST.NET>

69. Mississippi Kites, Watkinsville
    • Mississippi Kites, Watkinsville (28 lines)
      From: Mark Freeman <Roam2bird@CS.COM>

70. More places to check
    • More places to check (48 lines)
      From: Julie and Walt <jules7@MINDSPRING.COM>

71. N. Cardinal
    • N. Cardinal (35 lines)
      From: E. Thompson <erthomps@NEGIA.NET>
    • Re: N. Cardinal (33 lines)
      From: Jennifer B. Griffith <jbgrif@MINDSPRING.COM>

72. On yard birds ...
    • On yard birds ... (41 lines)
      From: Vicki DeLoach <VLDELOACH@AOL.COM>

73. PIPING PLOVER Update from Little St. Simons Island
    • PIPING PLOVER Update from Little St. Simons Island (37 lines)
      From: Brandon L. Noel <Brandon@LITTLESTSIMONSISLAND.COM>

74. PIPING PLOVER arrival on Little St. Simons Island
    • PIPING PLOVER arrival on Little St. Simons Island (44 lines)
      From: Brandon L. Noel <Brandon@LITTLESTSIMONSISLAND.COM>

75. Painted Buntings
    • Painted Buntings (27 lines)
      From: Pam Moore <auntpie@BELLSOUTH.NET>

76. Pelican news broader than in Georgia
    • Pelican news broader than in Georgia (30 lines)
      From: Marion Dobbs <marion@MINDSPRING.COM>

77. Piedmont NWR, Bond's Swamp, etc.
    • Piedmont NWR, Bond's Swamp, etc. (77 lines)
      From: David Hedeen <chrysoptera@YAHOO.COM>

78. Pine Siskin in July
    • Pine Siskin in July (39 lines)
      From: Tom Striker <tstriker@DIRECWAY.COM>

79. Pine Siskins - Fannin county
    • Pine Siskins - Fannin county (56 lines)
      From: Tom Striker <tstriker@DIRECWAY.COM>

80. Purple Martin gone South
    • Purple Martin gone South (44 lines)
      From: Billy Dunbar <gabirder@EXCITE.COM>

81. RNP: Solitary Sandpiper, Louisiana Waterthrush
    • RNP: Solitary Sandpiper, Louisiana Waterthrush (38 lines)
      From: David Hedeen <chrysoptera@YAHOO.COM>

82. Red-Cockaded WP Question
    • Red-Cockaded WP Question (36 lines)
      From: Michael Parrish <pendragon1998@YAHOO.COM>
    • Re: Red-Cockaded WP Question (33 lines)
      From: Michael Parrish <pendragon1998@YAHOO.COM>

83. Red-headed Woodpecker
    • Red-headed Woodpecker (39 lines)
      From: Doris Cohrs <doris_cohrs@YAHOO.COM>

84. Revised Top 10 Georgia Birding Sites List
    • Revised Top 10 Georgia Birding Sites List (55 lines)
      From: Dan Roper <RopersFive@AOL.COM>

85. SPCNP
    • SPCNP (34 lines)
      From: Art Hurt <arhurt@MINDSPRING.COM>

86. Saturday Field Trip
    • Saturday Field Trip (27 lines)
      From: Tim Keyes <Tim_Keyes@DNR.STATE.GA.US>

87. Screech owls
    • Screech owls (22 lines)
      From: Pat Schwartzman Jenkins <pschwar@MINDSPRING.COM>

88. Song Sparrow range expansion?
    • Song Sparrow range expansion? (27 lines)
      From: michael beohm <michaelbeohm@YAHOO.COM>

89. Swallow-tailed Kite
    • Swallow-tailed Kite (30 lines)
      From: Connie Madia <Cm4thebirds@AOL.COM>

90. Swallow-tailed Kite - Lowndes County
    • Swallow-tailed Kite - Lowndes County (30 lines)
      From: Barbara Passmore <bkpass@BELLSOUTH.NET>

91. Swallow-tailed kite, Oconee County
    • Swallow-tailed kite, Oconee County (26 lines)
      From: Ann Mahoney <euclidave@MINDSPRING.COM>

92. Taliaferro/McDuffie Cos., 7/11/2004
    • Taliaferro/McDuffie Cos., 7/11/2004 (89 lines)
      From: James F. Flynn Jr. <jim.flynn@MINDSPRING.COM>

93. Thanks
    • Thanks (27 lines)
      From: Pam Moore <auntpie@BELLSOUTH.NET>

94. Various w/e birds
    • Various w/e birds (106 lines)
      From: Steve Barlow <sb326@MAIL.GATECH.EDU>

95. Weekend Field Trip
    • Weekend Field Trip (26 lines)
      From: Tim Keyes <Tim_Keyes@DNR.STATE.GA.US>

96. White-winged Dove and dispersal
    • White-winged Dove and dispersal (38 lines)
      From: Russ Wigh <rdwigh@BELLSOUTH.NET>

97. Wood Stork !!!!!
    • Wood Stork !!!!! (25 lines)
      From: lynn schlup <mockingbird@GARDENER.COM>

98. Yellow-Crowned Night-Heron @ SPCNP
    • Yellow-Crowned Night-Heron @ SPCNP (31 lines)
      From: Patrick Brisse <birdman350@EARTHLINK.NET>

99. Yellow-crowned Night Heron at SPCNP
    • Yellow-crowned Night Heron at SPCNP (32 lines)
      From: Jerry Brunner <jbrunner@ADVSTR.COM>
    • Re: Yellow-crowned Night Heron at SPCNP (27 lines)
      From: Patrick Brisse <birdman350@EARTHLINK.NET>

100. another kite, Clarke County
     • another kite, Clarke County (28 lines)
       From: Mark Freeman <Roam2bird@CS.COM>

101. another kite, Clarke County (date correction )
     • Re: another kite, Clarke County (date correction ) (27 lines)
       From: Mark Freeman <Roam2bird@CS.COM>

102. bartow county farms/Kennesaw Mt
     • bartow county farms/Kennesaw Mt (45 lines)
       From: Stephenson, Ian <IDS2@CDC.GOV>

103. central georgia biridng questions
     • central georgia biridng questions (41 lines)
       From: David Hedeen <chrysoptera@YAHOO.COM>

104. correction
     • correction (24 lines)
       From: Stephenson, Ian <IDS2@CDC.GOV>

105. day of the ruffed grouse
     • day of the ruffed grouse (38 lines)
       From: Stephenson, Ian <IDS2@CDC.GOV>

106. homeschoolers using Great Backyard Bird Count
     • homeschoolers using Great Backyard Bird Count (30 lines)
       From: Victoria Smith <victoria.streib.smith@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

107. more dispersal: Roseate Spoonbill
     • more dispersal: Roseate Spoonbill (36 lines)
       From: Russ Wigh <rdwigh@BELLSOUTH.NET>

108. more wood storks!
     • more wood storks! (24 lines)
       From: lynn schlup <mockingbird@GARDENER.COM>

109. nestling Blue Grosbeak
     • nestling Blue Grosbeak (25 lines)
       From: lynn schlup <mockingbird@GARDENER.COM>

110. runt waterfowl eggs journal article
     • runt waterfowl eggs journal article (34 lines)
       From: Kelly Bettinger <kbettinger@PLANTBIO.UGA.EDU>

111. stork nests in Poland
     • stork nests in Poland (31 lines)
       From: bessinger janice <janmelb@YAHOO.COM>

112. strange sound
     • strange sound (33 lines)
       From: E. Thompson <erthomps@NEGIA.NET>

113. where is Ivy Log Gap Road?
     • where is Ivy Log Gap Road? (62 lines)
       From: bessinger janice <janmelb@YAHOO.COM>
     • Re: where is Ivy Log Gap Road? (63 lines)
       From: Steve Holzman <steve_holzman@YAHOO.COM>