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Date:   Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:03:56 -0700
Reply-To:   "Stanley A. Gorodenski" <vvgsgor@DE.STATE.AZ.US>
Sender:   "SAS(r) Discussion" <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
From:   "Stanley A. Gorodenski" <vvgsgor@DE.STATE.AZ.US>
Subject:   Re: OT: RIP: Many absent friends this year...
Comments:   To: "William W. Viergever" <wwvierg@attglobal.net>
Content-Type:   multipart/alternative;

I could respond, but I have no intention of turning this into a debate of personal opinions even if it is titled OT. I have made my points, David has made his, and you have made yours. I will leave it at that.

See you in Orlando. Stan

"William W. Viergever" wrote:

> Stan: > > I think what David was getting at was what my Grandmother (RIP) used > to preach to me: > > "If you don't have something nice to say about someone, then don't say > it." > > As for your opinions, they of course *are* yours, however, you might > think twice about sharing 'em. > > Regards > > > P.S. To me, your comment: "Could it be that the alternative is true, > that some are too sensitive" is a bit like David Bowie's ... "puttin > out fire w/ gasoline". > > Later > > > > At 08:23 AM 3/29/2002 -0700, Stanley A. Gorodenski wrote: > >> David, >> I almost deleted your message, thinking it was more spam. If I had I >> would >> not be responding now. >> >> It was not my intent to deride the sensitivities of those who >> appreciated >> his comedy, and I hope no one takes offense at my comment - I do not >> wish to >> alienate potential acquaintances or friends. I am just expressing my >> opinion >> of Dudley Moore's comedy. Normally, if someone has an opinion, and I >> have a >> different one, I will express it (I have become more outspoken over >> the >> years - a sign of old age?). Now, if Dudley Moore was a personal >> friend or a >> relative to someone, in another context (a person to person >> situation) I >> would not say what I said. However, this is not the situation. If >> some feel >> this is an insensitivity on my part, then maybe it is. Could it be >> that the >> alternative is true, that some are too sensitive, given that Dudley >> Moore's >> only contact (if you want to call it that) with them was through >> television >> or a movie? If someone said Jack Benny wasn't a good comedian and he >> missed >> his calling by not playing the part of a waiter, I would not feel >> offended. >> I believe he has passed away also. >> >> Again, it was not my intent to deride other's sensitivities. My >> apologies if >> others took a personal offense. >> Stan >> >> "DKV-J Consultancies (Totalise)" wrote: >> >> > Humour is a different emotion to each of us Stan, and I think it's >> >> > probably likely that there are many people on SAS/L who did >> appreciate >> > Dudley's work, just as you don't. It would however be a shame to >> deride >> > the sensitivities of those who did value his work, and will miss >> his >> > passing. Sadly, his work has been non existent since 1999, just >> as >> > Spike Milligan had done little in public for many years. >> > >> > I feel sad for the passing of Milton Berle, although the only film >> of >> > his I can recall at all clearly is 'mad, mad world', where I feel >> every >> > actor in the film was gracefully and effortlessly upstaged by >> Spencer >> > Tracy. Not being the best is not a putdown for any other actor, >> as the >> > Academy awards prove year after year. In any case, I know of >> Milton's >> > success as a comedian, and feel that I have not had the >> opportunity to >> > appreciate his comedy as much as others. >> > >> > We are getting older, as someone remarked, and I am surprised to >> realise >> > how much time has passed since some of my favourite performances >> were >> > first recorded. My set of 6 classic Jack Benny episodes were >> recorded >> > some forty years ago, as the youthfulness of Kirk Douglas and Fred >> >> > MacMurray testify in that wonderful jam session they played >> together. >> > If I could find any more, I'd treasure them, on PAL or NTSC. The >> > average viewer may not know it, but he truly was a talented >> fiddler and >> > made his early living on Vaudeville that way, as that horrid >> repetitive >> > Kreutzer arpeggio study that became his theme suggests. >> > >> > Every Christmas my family toast absent friends. Each year someone >> else >> > is foremost in our minds, and sometimes we have different people >> in >> > mind, but we share an appreciation of each other's sense of loss. >> I >> > think there might be just such a toast at a certain SUGI dinner >> this >> > year. >> > >> > Kind regards >> > >> > David >> > >> > Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 09:34:05 -0700 >> > From: "Stanley A. Gorodenski" <vvgsgor@DE.STATE.AZ.US> >> > Subject: Re: OT: RIP: Milton Berle >> > >> > I'm afraid I do not feel the same about Dudley Moore as some. I >> feel he >> > missed his calling by not playing the parts of taxi drivers, or >> two bit >> > grubby chislers in large cities. It's anyone's opinion, and this >> is >> > mine. >> > Milton Berle, though, was really great, in the same class as Sid >> Ceaser >> > (who is still living, I believe) and Jack Benny. >> > Stan > > ------------------------------------------------------------William W. > Viergever Voice : (916) 483-8398Viergever & > Associates Fax : (916) 486-1488Sacramento, CA 95825 > E-mail : > wwvierg@attglobal.net------------------------------------------------------------


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