Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:38:16 -0700
Reply-To: Mike <msgrinnelL@CHARTER.NET>
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From: Mike <msgrinnelL@CHARTER.NET>
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Subject: Re: Learning Edition question
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Good Evening,
I am afraid I am being taken for someone who would like to get a free
ride on SAS (i.e. I have professional work I would like to do on a
$125 piece of software). I won't say I know nothing about SAS, but I
am certainly a novice. I know more about quality engineering than I
know about SAS and my desire is to become dangerous enough with SAS to
actually find a different position where I can be employed as a
quality engineer (at present I program Unix, Sybase, Oracle, and
Powerbuilder). Such a position would entail access to the full
version of SAS versus what is offered by the LE.
Not sure why SAS would limit access to functionality in its LE while
at the same time limiting it to 1000 observations and also setting a
December 31, 2006 expiration date. I have no qualms whatsoever about
1000 observations or even limits on the number of variables. I do
wonder, however, why SAS would not want the most people possible to be
familiar with the recesses of their product. Is it a technical issue?
Thanks,
Mike
> Hello Mike (and other SAS-L Friends),
>
> IMHO, you are still missing the point of LE. It is for folks who know
> little about SAS but would like a hands-on opportunity to learn. The
> procedures that are included are largely a function of what is required to
> make Enterprise Guide interesting and meaningful.
>
> If your problem is that you need access to a full commercial version of SAS
> and the software is not available via a benevolent employer and you are not
> independently weathly, then you may be out of luck. Please, no wining.
>
> If you have SAS/QC licensed at work, you should investigate whether the
> license allows employees to install an instance of SAS on a home PC. Some
> licenses do (or did!). Folks affiliated with degree-granting schools may
> also be eligible to license SAS/QC at reduced prices. If not, then LE is
> not a good solution unless your use of SAS/QC is restricted to control
> charts with less than 1,000 observations that you create for
> educational/entertainment purposes.
>
> HTH.
>
> - Michael "Mad Doggy" Davis
>
> At 08:43 AM 7/18/2003 -0700, Mike <msgrinnelL@CHARTER.NET> wrote:
> >List,
> >
> >I have been doing some more exploring (suppose I should have done this
> >before I posted, however, so I apologize).
> >
> >I see that in the Learning Edition the following PROCS are NOT
> >included:
> >
> >CUSUM
> >FACTEX
> >ISHIKAWA
> >MACONTROL
> >OPTEX
> >RELIABILITY
> >
> >
> >The following ARE included:
> >CAPABILITY
> >PARETO
> >SHEWART
> >
> >I guess now I am disappointed. One is unable to do Factorial designs
> >(no FACTEX), just for starters, with the Learning Edition. Design of
> >experiments would be a
> >pretty vacuous field without factorials and response surfaces.
> >
> >I guess I will think pretty hard about LE since QC is so bare. Any
> >idea whether there are any thoughts to actually include something from
> >QC in the next version of LE?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Mike
> >
> >
> >
> >michael@BASSETTCONSULTING.COM (Michael L. Davis) wrote in message
> >news:<5.1.0.14.2.20030718035401.00a94478@pop.registeredsite.com>...
> > > Hello Mike and Other SAS Friends,
> > >
> > > Roland's answer is potentially misleading. If you go to the link he
> > > suggests, you would see the SAS/QC procedures listed and say, "Yes, SAS
> > > Learning Edition (LE) has SAS/QC". My suggestion is that you go to the
> > > following link and look at the full SAS/QC documentation. Compare it with
> > > the list of SAS/QC procedures included in LE.
> > >
> > > http://support.sas.com/documentation/onlinedoc/index.html
> > >
> > > You may discover that a feature of SAS/QC that you "have to have" is not
> > > included. Mike, since you did not share what you really want to do with LE
> > > with the list, it is hard for Roland or myself to really help you answer
> > > your questions.
> > >
> > > A common misunderstanding expressed on the list and elsewhere is that LE is
> > > a low cost version of SAS that lets you take the full power of SAS software
> > > home. Not true! The product intent is merely to serve as an education
> > > tool, especially for Enterprise Guide. So when one tries to use LE beyond
> > > its design intent, it may prove to be awkward or missing some useful
> > > features available in the full version of SAS software.
> > >
> > > LE is a good tool to discover SAS and improve one's skills. It is not a
> > > replacement for licensing commercial use versions of SAS/QC and other SAS
> > > products.
> > >
> > > - Michael "Mad Doggy" Davis
> > >
> > > >Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 07:30:21 +0100
> > > >Sender: "SAS(r) Discussion" <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > > >From: Roland <roland@RASHLEIGH-BERRY.FSNET.CO.UK>
> > > >Organization: Universe Monitors
> > > >Subject: Re: Learning Edition question
> > > >To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > > >
> > > >Take a look for yourself at http://support.sas.com/rnd/le/faq_proc.html
> > > >
> > > >"Mike" <msgrinnelL@charter.net> wrote in message
> > > >news:5319bac7.0307172008.6e2ad3d@posting.google.com...
> > > > > Perhaps the third time will be a charm.... Re-posting after rejected
> twice
> > > > >
> > > > > List,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am considering purchasing SAS LE but will only do so if SAS/QC is
> > > > > included. I understand from http://www.sconsig.com/sasle_findings.pdf
> > > > > that SAS/QC is included in SAS LE. Is anyone able to confirm this?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks much,
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > >
> > > Michael L. Davis
> > > Vice President
> > > Bassett Consulting Services, Inc.
> > > 10 Pleasant Drive
> > > North Haven CT 06473-3712
> > > E-Mail: michael@bassettconsulting.com
> > > Web: http://www.bassettconsulting.com
> > > Telephone: 203-562-0640
>
>
>
> Michael L. Davis
> Vice President
> Bassett Consulting Services, Inc.
> 10 Pleasant Drive
> North Haven CT 06473-3712
> E-Mail: michael@bassettconsulting.com
> Web: http://www.bassettconsulting.com
> Telephone: 203-562-0640
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