Date:         Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:58:56 -0400
Reply-To:     "Will Bailey [Statman]" <statmanz@earthlink.net>
Sender:       "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
From:         "Will Bailey [Statman]" <statmanz@earthlink.net>
Subject:      Bad news about SPSS 12.0 - Not a Mandate
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Mark is right, there are options available as well as templates to make
these option "easier to use."

The graphics engine has greatly improved so don't pass judgment until you
see its capabilities.

WMB
Statistical Services
SPSS Beta Site

=========================================
mailto:statmanz@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~statmanz/
=========================================

Virus Scan Notice: This email is certified to be virus free.

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of
Mark Davenport
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 10:34 AM
To: SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: Bad news about SPSS 12.0


True. In the beta version that we tested, 3-D effects were an option.
Obviously, their (ab)use is at the discretion of the user. However, I think
SPSS is looking more toward business users with the 3-D option. No, I don't
think that makes them any more useful (perhaps it makes them even more
dangerous). However, i think it is what that sector wanted.

mark

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
Mark A. Davenport Ph.D.
Asst to the Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs/Research and Evaluation The
University of North Carolina at Greensboro 149 Mossman Bldg. Greensboro, NC
27402-6170 336.334.5099 madavenp@office.uncg.edu

'An approximate answer to the right problem is worth a good deal more than
an exact
answer to an approximate problem'      -- J. W. Tukey

>>> Michaël Opgenhaffen <michael.opgenhaffen@SOC.KULEUVEN.AC.BE>
9/2/2003 10:07:21 AM >>>
I think this 3d-effect is an option, thus we're not forced to use this...

At 15:01 2-9-2003 +0100, David Hitchin wrote:
>I learn from
><http://www.spss.com/spssbi/spss/brochures.htm>
>that SPSS 12.0 will include "3-D effects for pie and bar charts".
>
>Is there an honest statistician in his or her right mind who would
>recommend these?
>
>There seems to be very strong case for arguing that everything
>non-essential added to a plot makes it harder to read. Perhaps these
>gimmicks could be useful when embarrassing information has to be
displayed,
>and some way has to be found to make it hard to read.
>
>David Hitchin
---
avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean.
Virus Database (VPS): 8/29/2003
Tested on: 9/2/2003 10:55:41 AM
avast! is copyright (c) 2000-2003 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com




---
Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/2003