Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 12:05:18 -0400
Reply-To: Peter Flom <flom@NDRI.ORG>
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From: Peter Flom <flom@NDRI.ORG>
Subject: Re: SAS help
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I think I am in a somewhat different market from the original poster, (I
do data analysis for a nonprofit research company, mostly about AIDS,
drug abuse, and such things) but...
Yes, I think SAS prices are getting out of line. I am using R more and
more, and it's free. The one place where SAS shines, for me, is in data
management. (Another place is in handling large data sets, but that
isn't an issue for me).
Of course, R has some disadvantages.....no tech support for one thing,
and, for me, at least, a steep learning curve. But it outshines SAS in
terms of graphics, 'cutting edge' statistics, and the like.
I'm glad I get to use both.......but if I had to pay out of my own
pocket, SAS would lose.
Peter L. Flom, PhD
Assistant Director, Statistics and Data Analysis Core
Center for Drug Use and HIV Research
National Development and Research Institutes
71 W. 23rd St
New York, NY 10010
(212) 845-4485 (voice)
(917) 438-0894 (fax)
>>> Mark Lamias <Mark.Lamias@GRIZZARD.COM> 09/08/03 11:53AM >>>
Jim and Curtis,
I'm assuming that your management has these meetings because the
cost of SAS. Does any one else feel that SAS may be out-pricing
from the market? Is there anything we can do as a group to get them to
their prices or at least rethink their pricing scheme? Just a thought.
Mark J. Lamias
From: Smith, Curtis, Mr, DCAA [mailto:Curtis.Smith@DCAA.MIL]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: SAS help
If you are already using SAS at your company, then you are the best
source of information. What do you use it for? Could you do those same
things with other common tools, like Excel and Access? As stated by
others, we might be able to give some words to help with your
to other products, but we need to know how you already use SAS.
I feel for you... I go through the same exercise about every other
Some of the arguments I use is that I can create end-user applications
that are data independent and are user friendly. A programming
has advantages over an end-user tool like Excel. My users make a few
selections from a SAS/AF frame and the analysis runs. Using a tool
Excel to do the same means the user has to sort, add formulae and
functions, etc., which is prone to error. SAS handles huge amounts of
data. Excel has its row limit, and I think Access has a file size
I also find Access cumbersome when I have to have my tables and
in the same MDB (unless I am using something like ODBC to link to
external tables). Access requires I load new data into tables in the
existing MDB whenever I need to update the data. Doing so means the
keeps getting bigger. The alternative is to create a new MDB for each
new data table and then copy all of the existing queries and reports
into the new MDB. Doing that means I have multiple copies of the same
queries and reports - a maintenance nightmare.
I'm rambling - but, Excel and Access have their place and if that is
you need, then you should use them. SAS is a much better data analysis
tool. You can do a lot more with tools like Enterprise Guide,
SAS/STAT, and many other specific analysis modules. But, you'll have
let us know what your needs are.
From: James Robinson [mailto:jr55876@HOTMAIL.COM]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 7:31 AM
Subject: SAS help
My companies "upper-management" is having a meeting to decide if we
to have SAS. I am looking for any information on the advantages of
Any comparisons to other software (SPSS, Access) products would be
helpful. I need some concrete examples of things to present to them
show the importance of us having SAS. Our meeting is Tuesday morning,
September 9th, so please get back to me today, if you can.