Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:01:14 +0000
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From: John Whittington <John.W@MEDISCIENCE.CO.UK>
Subject: Re: RE - Little Birdies fyi
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At 12:11 16/01/04 -0500, Joe Whitehurst wrote:
>JW| "Firstly, it is not uncommon (and we have examples on SAS-L) for some
>individuals to frequently use 'self referential words and phrases' very
>much with their tongues in their cheeks, in some cases even to the point of
>effectively being self-critical; to interpret that in the same sense as
>'real' egocentricity would be incorrect."
>
>No doubt this is true. That's why we need 12-36 months of cumulative
>verbal behavior.
In the case of some of those I have in mind, the 'tongue-in-cheek'
(seemingly) egocentric behaviour is a perpetual feature of their behaviour,
so you'd probably get the same (misleading/incorrect) answer whether you
evaluated them over 1 month or 100 months.
>JW| "Secondly, as others have said/implied, egocentricity (in the sense your
>index is assessing it) does not necessarily imply anything about the value
>of the individual's contribution to discussions. .... "
>
>No doubt this is true as well.
I'm sure it is - but I fear many people might be misled by an 'egocentric'
label into not realising this.
>No doubt you will get to see the egocentric index scores for the top 100.
I will? When and where? The 'top 100' of what?
>JW| "As for me, I judge people by the merit of what they
>say/write/contribute,
>regardless of how 'egocentricly' they do it."
>
>I do both. I evaluate the merits, and I evaluate how they do it.
Well, yes, I'm sure we all do to some extent; I suppose I worded that
badly. What I really meant is that I'm very careful not to let my view of
the merit/value of what people say be biased by considerations of the way
they say it. I know a good few overbearingly arrogant and egocentric
people whose opinions and advice I nevertheless regard extremely highly.
Kind Regards
John
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