Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:20:39 -0500
Reply-To: Bent_Andy <abent@AETINC.COM>
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From: Bent_Andy <abent@AETINC.COM>
Subject: Re: R vs. SAS (was Replacement for SAS (SPSS vs. SAS, redux))
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Wow, that was a leap. Better not use Apache or PHP then.
>From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On
>Behalf Of ben.powell@CLA.CO.UK
>Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 10:37 AM
>Subject: Re: R vs. SAS (was Replacement for SAS (SPSS vs. SAS, redux))
>Sounds like R is the SAS equivalent of Linux .. who are
>incidentally in all
>sorts of a copy left/right mess at the moment.
>On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:39:37 -0500, Peter Flom <flom@NDRI.ORG> wrote:
>>I use both SAS and R; I"ve used SAS for 10 or 15 years, R for about 6
>>months - 1 year.
>>Each has strengths and weaknesses; I'd not like to give up either.
>>Strengths of SAS (esp. compared to R)
>>Tech support - I have SAS tech support's phone number and our license
>>number memorized. They're great.
>>SAS-L - There's also an R-help list, and it's also great, but the mood
>>is different; r-help is less welcoming to newbie questions, silly
>>questions, badly worded questions, not directly on topic
>>Dealing with large data sets - I don't do this much, but SAS
>>faster for large data sets, on which R sometimes bogs down completely.
>>Dealing with 'unusual' data - SAS clearly shines in terms of
>>input almost anything. R is more limited in this regard, and
>>Strengths of R
>>It's extendable - You can write programs as complex as you wish, and
>>many people have contributed many programs to R.
>>It's open source - You can see the actual code that it uses; if you
>>like, you can modify the code.
>>Graphics - R produces amazing graphics, of (almost) any type. Even
>>with SAS GRAPH, I don't think SAS can match it. Without SAS GRAPH,
>>well...... Also, from the little I've seen, SAS GRAPH is
>harder to use
>>than R graphics to produce equal-quality stuff.
>>Cutting edge statistics - Many are developed in R (or in its
>>cousin - S Plus). It takes a while for them to make it into SAS.
>>>>> bogdan romocea <br44092@GAWAB.COM> 2/5/2004 9:29:29 AM >>>
>>I think there is a software package around which is a worthy
>>replacement for SAS. The bean counters should be very happy to
>>find out that it can be obtained for free - it's Free Software
>>(released under the terms of the Free Software Foundation's GNU
>>General Public License in source code form). Naturally, I'm not
>>talking about SPSS.
>>The possible replacement for SAS is R, http://www.r-project.org/
>>There are some very notable differences between SAS and R. One
>>is a proprietary, very expensive, mature, well-supported
>>software with lots of features and a big user community. The
>>other is fairly young and not that well supported, but anyone
>>can improve it (want to fix a bug or add a new feature? - you
>>can do it yourself, the source code is available). And of
>>course, you can get it for $0.
>>Depending on your situation you may find that a transition from
>>SAS to R is something of interest to you now. Here are a couple
>>of excerpts from R's web site:
>>R is an integrated suite of software facilities for data
>>manipulation, calculation and graphical display. It includes
>>* an effective data handling and storage facility,
>>* a suite of operators for calculations on arrays, in particular
>>* a large, coherent, integrated collection of intermediate tools
>>for data analysis,
>>* graphical facilities for data analysis and display either
>>on-screen or on hardcopy, and
>>* a well-developed, simple and effective programming language
>>which includes conditionals, loops, user-defined recursive
>>functions and input and output facilities.
>>R provides a wide variety of statistical (linear and nonlinear
>>modelling, classical statistical tests, time-series analysis,
>>classification, clustering, ...) and graphical techniques, and
>>is highly extensible. The S language is often the vehicle of
>>choice for research in statistical methodology, and R provides
>>an Open Source route to participation in that activity.
>>From: Talbot Michael Katz [mailto:topkatz@MSN.COM]
>>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:26 PM
>>Subject: SPSS vs. SAS, redux
>>I thought now would be as good a time as any to dust off the
>>comparison thread, and see what the current thinking is among my
>>users. (By the way, does SPSS have a list-serve comparable to
>>user groups like SUGI?) Naturally, I have an ulterior motive --
>>counters have once again recoiled in horror at the annual $A$
>>and they want to do some comparison shopping. I've been
>>appointed the SAS
>>defense counsel. The problem is, I know less than nothing about
>>opponent. I haven't used SPSS in more than ten years; I've
>>little that I knew, and I have no experience with the wealth of
>>they've made in the past decade. Here's the marketing pitch
>>they hit me
>>15 Mbytes Free Web-based and POP3
>>Sign up now: http://www.gawab.com