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Date:   Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:36:32 -0500
Reply-To:   ben.powell@CLA.CO.UK
Sender:   "SAS(r) Discussion" <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
From:   ben.powell@CLA.CO.UK
Subject:   Re: R vs. SAS (was Replacement for SAS (SPSS vs. SAS, redux))

Sounds like R is the SAS equivalent of Linux .. who are incidentally in all sorts of a copy left/right mess at the moment.

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004 09:39:37 -0500, Peter Flom <flom@NDRI.ORG> wrote:

>I use both SAS and R; I"ve used SAS for 10 or 15 years, R for about 6 >months - 1 year. > >Each has strengths and weaknesses; I'd not like to give up either. > >Strengths of SAS (esp. compared to R) > >Tech support - I have SAS tech support's phone number and our license >number memorized. They're great. > >SAS-L - There's also an R-help list, and it's also great, but the mood >is different; r-help is less welcoming to newbie questions, silly >questions, badly worded questions, not directly on topic questions, and >so on. > >Dealing with large data sets - I don't do this much, but SAS is clearly >faster for large data sets, on which R sometimes bogs down completely. > >Dealing with 'unusual' data - SAS clearly shines in terms of ability to >input almost anything. R is more limited in this regard, and harder to >work with. > > > >Strengths of R > >It's free > >It's extendable - You can write programs as complex as you wish, and >many people have contributed many programs to R. > >It's open source - You can see the actual code that it uses; if you >like, you can modify the code. > >Graphics - R produces amazing graphics, of (almost) any type. Even >with SAS GRAPH, I don't think SAS can match it. Without SAS GRAPH, >well...... Also, from the little I've seen, SAS GRAPH is harder to use >than R graphics to produce equal-quality stuff. > > >Cutting edge statistics - Many are developed in R (or in its commercial >cousin - S Plus). It takes a while for them to make it into SAS. > > > > >Just MHO > > >Peter > >>>> bogdan romocea <br44092@GAWAB.COM> 2/5/2004 9:29:29 AM >>> >Michael, > >I think there is a software package around which is a worthy >replacement for SAS. The bean counters should be very happy to >find out that it can be obtained for free - it's Free Software >(released under the terms of the Free Software Foundation's GNU >General Public License in source code form). Naturally, I'm not >talking about SPSS. > >The possible replacement for SAS is R, >There are some very notable differences between SAS and R. One >is a proprietary, very expensive, mature, well-supported >software with lots of features and a big user community. The >other is fairly young and not that well supported, but anyone >can improve it (want to fix a bug or add a new feature? - you >can do it yourself, the source code is available). And of >course, you can get it for $0. > >Depending on your situation you may find that a transition from >SAS to R is something of interest to you now. Here are a couple >of excerpts from R's web site: > >R is an integrated suite of software facilities for data >manipulation, calculation and graphical display. It includes >* an effective data handling and storage facility, >* a suite of operators for calculations on arrays, in particular >matrices, >* a large, coherent, integrated collection of intermediate tools >for data analysis, >* graphical facilities for data analysis and display either >on-screen or on hardcopy, and >* a well-developed, simple and effective programming language >which includes conditionals, loops, user-defined recursive >functions and input and output facilities. > >R provides a wide variety of statistical (linear and nonlinear >modelling, classical statistical tests, time-series analysis, >classification, clustering, ...) and graphical techniques, and >is highly extensible. The S language is often the vehicle of >choice for research in statistical methodology, and R provides >an Open Source route to participation in that activity. > >HTH, >b. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Talbot Michael Katz [mailto:topkatz@MSN.COM] >Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:26 PM >To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU >Subject: SPSS vs. SAS, redux > > >Hey, gang! > >I thought now would be as good a time as any to dust off the >periodic SPSS >comparison thread, and see what the current thinking is among my >fellow SAS >users. (By the way, does SPSS have a list-serve comparable to >SAS-L? Or >user groups like SUGI?) Naturally, I have an ulterior motive -- >the bean >counters have once again recoiled in horror at the annual $A$ >$hakedown, >and they want to do some comparison shopping. I've been >appointed the SAS >defense counsel. The problem is, I know less than nothing about >my >opponent. I haven't used SPSS in more than ten years; I've >forgotten the >little that I knew, and I have no experience with the wealth of >additions >they've made in the past decade. Here's the marketing pitch >they hit me >with... >________________________________ >15 Mbytes Free Web-based and POP3 >Sign up now:

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