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Date:         Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:18:54 -0800
Reply-To:     Dale Glaser <>
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From:         Dale Glaser <>
Subject:      Comments on SPSS documentation
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In the years of using SPSS since mainframe days, and the few years I have been on this listserv, I have never used this as a forum for gripes, but I'd like to register a minor one and see if I'm in the minority!! This past week I had the opportunity to use PLUM for proportional odds modeling (AKA: ordinal regression). When I accessed the manuals to aid in interpretation of the Threshold and Location parameters, they are woefully amiss in shedding any insight. Though I had a suspicion that the Threshold parameters are calculated similarly to how the same parameters are calculated via PRELIS for deriving the polychoric correlation matrix, I wanted unequivocal confirmation of such, which the manuals do not do (though I can always access the statistical algorithms if need be). That being said, doesn't it seem in the "good old days" the SPSS manuals actually were fairly illuminating in the mathematical/statistical details in the output? I actually found them, alongside other texts, to be very educational. Nowadays, the manuals are just on the CD and even then , they are nothing more than details on point-and-click. Reading Long's "Regression Models for Categorical and Limited Dependent Variables" last night made very clear the interpretation for both the proportional odds model and multinomial logistic model, but it would be nice to have that level of information in the SPSS manuals.

Just a comment/frustration that I wonder if other SPSS users also have........thank you...Dale

Glaser Consulting Dale Glaser, Ph.D. Consultant/Lecturer (SDSU/USD/AIU) 4003 Goldfinch St, Suite G San Diego, CA 92103 phone: 619-220-0602 fax: 619-220-0412 email: website:

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