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**Reply-To:** Joseph Teitelman temp2 <cmtemp2@pgahq.com>
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**From:** Joseph Teitelman temp2 <cmtemp2@pgahq.com>
**Subject:** Re: SV: For those in need of running SAS using an SPSS file
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Yes, according to SPSS, the file could be saved in a number of distinct SAS file formats. Yet, if you follow the directions at the SPSS web site, you'll find that SAS cannot read the SPSS files * apparently saved as SAS data files.

Only if you save an SPSS *.sav file as an SAS portable file are you truly able to read the file in SAS. I believe that this very issue is addressed at either the SPSS website or the SAS website.

The bottom line is that only when saved as an SAS portable file was I ever able to read the document in SAS.

With respect to your matrix programming language, I was obviously incorrect.

>>> "Weeks, Kyle" <kweeks@spss.com> 7/18/2006 12:38 PM >>>
The UCLA Technical Report is out of date and, in some cases, inaccurate. We have been working with UCLA to update the document and hope to have it updated soon. Also, there are some inaccuracies in some of the posts below.

For example, SPSS does, in fact, have a MATRIX language and also has access through the Programmability Extension to a wide variety of number libraries. Also, SPSS can save directly as a SAS data file, there is no need to save to a portable file first.

Regards.

Kyle Weeks, Ph.D.
Director of Product Management, SPSS Product Line
Product Management
SPSS Inc.
kweeks@spss.com
www.spss.com
SPSS Inc. helps organizations turn data into insight through predictive analytics.

-----Original Message-----
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of jemiller
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:32 AM
To: SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: SV: For those in need of running SAS using an SPSS file

So, your point is? - very possibly the people who are on this list prefer
SPSS for their own reason or there would not be a well populated list like
this nor a SPSS software package.

Why come on the SPSS listserv to get pissed off that some people prefer SPSS
(taking into consideration your other recent posts)?? Very strange
behaviour.

I must say I really appreciate SPSS and the prolific contributors to this
list!
jem

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From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of
Joseph Teitelman temp2
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 8:15 AM
To: SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] SV: For those in need of running SAS using an SPSS
file

I'd suggest that all those who wish to draw comparisons between SAS and SPSS
read the article referenced below.

I was surprised by only one finding. I was under the impression that SAS had
substantially increased its capabilities to analyze survey data.
Unfortunately, this was not the case. It does make a great deal of sense
to use SUDAAN for such purposes.

The information about Stata hardly surprised me. I have been told by
statisticians at Duke that many of the younger statisticians prefer Stata.

Based upon the author's conclusions about SPSS, it would appear as if he
believes that SPSS is the weakest program among the three.

Finally let me add a few corrections to the article.

First, you can perform logistic regression in SAS using either proc
logistic, proc catmod, or proc genmod. You can definitely obtain the
predicted probabilities in logistic regression. The author of the article
was simply incorrect when he stated that only Stata could perform such
computations.

Next, Stat/IML is a matrix programming language which comes along with SAS.
It is extremely powerful. SPSS has no matrix programming language. And
from what I've been told, neither does Stata.

Finally, S-PLUS is an extremely powerful general statistics software
program. It is based upon the language S. And R which is similar to S, is
a free program; there have been numerous books and other forms of
documentation written about R. For the educated R user, R can perform any
of the statistical procedures that any of the other programs can perform.

I am in the process of learning R myself. It's power as a statistical
programming language is amazing.

It would appear as if the author of the article favored Stata, and spoke
most negatively about SPSS.

Those were my impressions.

Joe Teitelman
>>> Simon Freidin <simonpf@unimelb.edu.au> 7/17/2006 5:43 PM >>>
For a comparison of the strengths and weaknesses of SAS, SPSS and
STATA see the UCLA report

http://www.ats.ucla.edu/stat/technicalreports/Number1/
ucla_ATSstat_tr1_1.0.pdf

cheers
Simon

On 18/07/2006, at 5:52 AM, Joseph Teitelman temp2 wrote:

> That's an obnoxious question; I used SAS as a student first in a
> sociology Ph.D. program and then in a statistics graduate program.
> As a graduate student studying statistics, I was able to obtain SAS
> free of charge, and have continued to use the licensed SAS program
> since completing my statistics degree.
>
> It is true that my employer is not licensing SAS; rather my
> employer is licensing SPSS only.
>
> And if you must know, the vast majority of statistics graduate
> programs prefer SAS to SPSS. In fact, they tend to support SAS,
> SPLUS, and Stata, but tend not to support SPSS.
>
> The question is what does this fact say about SPSS when compared to
> SAS, S-PLUS, and Stata.
>
> Typically SPSS is used in graduate level social science courses, such
> as sociology.
>
> Given the above, what can you conclude about SPSS?
>
> joe teitelman
>
>
>
>>>> Jason Burke <burke.jasonm@gmail.com> 7/14/2006 7:46 PM >>>
> If your employer forces you to use SPSS, who pays the SAS license fees
> every year?
>
>
> On 7/15/06, Oliver, Richard <roliver@spss.com> wrote:
>> The SPSS facility for writing SAS-format data files includes the
>> ability to write value labels to a SAS formats file. This has been
>> true for quite a few years (it's not new in SPSS 14).
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On
>> Behalf Of Staffan Lindberg
>> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:44 PM
>> To: SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> Subject: SV: For those in need of running SAS using an SPSS file
>>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Being in a somewhat similar situation (although a SPSS user) I
>> often find myself having to convert SPSS-files to SAS datasets for
>> SAS-people. The easiest solution (at least for me) is to use a
>> conversion program. I use DBMSCOPY but there are others
>> (StatTransfer among others). With DMBSCOPY I can even convert SPSS
>> Value Labels to SAS Formats. This is accomplished by DMBSCOPY
>> generating a SAS program that you can run in SAS thus getting the
>> Formats.
>>
>> An even faster way is to to use the ability of SPSS 14 (and
>> perhaps earlier) to write SAS files in different formats (although
>> I don't know if the Value labels are converted).
>>
>> best
>>
>> Staffan Lindberg
>> National Institute of Public Health
>> Sweden
>>
>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
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>> Joseph Teitelman temp2
>> Skickat: den 14 juli 2006 18:19
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>> Ämne: For those in need of running SAS using an SPSS file
>>
>>
>> For the past 2 months, I've been forced to learn how to use SPSS,
>> since my employer uses SPSS solely.
>>
>> For those interested in analyzing data in SAS created as an SPSS
>> *.sav file, the following steps are required.
>>
>> Note that I discovered this information from the very popular
>> "Little SAS Book."
>>
>> 1) first save your spss file as a portable file * it has the
>> extension por.
>> 2) use the following SAS syntax:
>> a) LIBNAME myspss SPSS 'c:\Myspsslib\spss.por';
>> b) to use the print procedure in SAS type
>> PROC PRINT DATA = myspss._FIRST_;
>> c) to list the contents of the spss file (the variables and their
>> attributes
>> type: PROC CONTENTS DATA = myspss._FIRST_;
>>
>> d) to convert the spss portable file to a SAS data set, type the
>> following:
>>
>> DATA 'c:\MySASlib\spsspor';
>> SET myspss._FIRST_;
>>
>>
>> e) the output will contain a list of observations/ records grouped
>> by each variable in the data set.
>>
>> The next procedure * Proc contents will produce the variable #,
>> the variable name, the type of variable (num or char, e.g.),
>> Length of each variable, position of each variable, format of each
>> variable. and label for each variable.
>>
>> Obviously, the information I provided is not intended for those
>> who prefer to use SPSS rather than SAS. It's for those like me,
>> who were forced to learn SPSS for some reason, such as a job, but
>> would like to analyze the data using SAS.
>>
>> I hope this proves helpful for those of you in the same shoes as
>> myself.
>>
>> I am not advocating the use of SAS over SPSS; rather I am merely
>> showing that for those who prefer SAS over SPSS, it's easy to read
>> an SPSS file using SAS, after saving the SPSS file as a portable
>> document.
>>
>> The portable file will have the extension "por".