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Date:         Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:37:37 +0800
Reply-To:     Timothy Teo <teotim@singnet.com.sg>
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From:         Timothy Teo <teotim@singnet.com.sg>
Subject:      Re: to upgrade or not to upgrade
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Unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Weeks, Kyle" <kweeks@spss.com> Newsgroups: bit.listserv.spssx-l To: <SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: Re: to upgrade or not to upgrade

> Greetings everyone, > > This started off with a question by Angela of whether or not to upgrade > from 11.0 to 14.0. Angela, I will let you decide for yourself whether or > not to upgrade. As I stated in a previous email, there are a lot of > benefits to upgrading, including new functionality, features and user > interface improvements (see > http://www.spss.com/software_version/index.cfm?product=base). Angela's > original question has lead to some other issues, let me address some of > those issues. > > * Yearly releases - It is correct we do attempt to release a new > version of SPSS every year. We feel that this is the best way to get > requested functionality out to our user base in a regular, timely manner. > Contrary, to one of the responses this is not meant to cater towards a > "business audience" this is done very much with academics in mind as well. > In fact, businesses actually are much slower to upgrade due to > logistical/compliance issues - in actuality, they cannot (and do not) keep > up with current releases. > * The feature sets in the new releases - It was felt that the > features sets have been catered toward business rather than academic > audiences. As you know, SPSS is used in a wide variety or organizations. > We try to balance the feature set so it will appeal to a wide variety of > audiences. We also have some features that are developed primarily based > on requests from the academic community, such as General Linear Models for > Complex Samples and Logistic Regression for Complex Samples. > * The new licensing technology - The old technology that we used to > use was from a company that no longer exists. If we needed someone to fix > a bug or to add a new feature, that was impossible. The new technology, > provides us with a platform to provide new, requested features to the > software, such as network commuter licenses and priority settings for > network licenses. With regard to the problems that Jan is having, I have > asked Tech Support to follow up with directly Jan. > * Difficulties with recent releases - If you have problems with > current versions of SPSS, please contact SPSS Technical Support > (support@spss.com) to report those problems. They are in the best > position to diagnose and escalate the problems. We are committed to > releasing quality products that meet customer needs. > * Multiple versions on the same machine - This is a supported > configuration. This is NOT a coincidence. We go out of our way to > support this setup. > > Regards. > > > Kyle Weeks, Ph.D. > Director of Product Management, SPSS Product Line > Product Management > SPSS Inc. > kweeks@spss.com > www.spss.com > SPSS Inc. helps organizations turn data into insight through predictive > analytics. > > -----Original Message----- > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of > Spousta Jan > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 2:56 AM > To: SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU > Subject: Re: to upgrade or not to upgrade > > No Antoon, I feel currently not very lucky with SPSS. It costs us > usually 3 mandays to license a new version here after they introduced > the new licensing policy. > > And you are true that keeping two versions on one computer is not always > possible. > > As I recall now, my copy of SPSS 12 is probably somehow hacked to work > after its expiration. I do not feel much much qualms of conscience > because of it - we are paying the fees and it would be otherwise not > possible to use the software. But it is really not an ideal situation > and I have no such problems with other software I use. > > Greetings > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of > Antoon Smulders > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:46 AM > To: SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU > Subject: Re: to upgrade or not to upgrade > > Hi Jan > > You are a lucky man, because I cannot have two versions on my computer. > We have a yearly license for a single user but we would need two > autorisation codes every year, one for each version. I don't think SPSS > will give that to us every year. > Besides: it may be a matter of time to have problems because of two > conficting versions of the same software. A lot of software explicitly > demands that you uninstall older versions or does it by itself when > installing the newer version. So far that is not the case, but does SPSS > guarantee that? > > Antoon Smulders > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] Namens > Spousta Jan > Verzonden: donderdag 23 maart 2006 8:42 > Aan: SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU > Onderwerp: Re: to upgrade or not to upgrade > > Hi, > > There are two advices for people seeking reliability in SPSS: > > 1) Do not upgrade directly to the version XX.0 - wait for XX.01 and > similar. Because the fresh version number usualy means more bugs. > > 2) Let an older version of SPSS live on your computer. I have here SPSS > 12 and currently I am working with it, because the instalation of SPSS > 14 destroyed even SPSS 13 here and I was not able to go through the > licension validation procedure for 14 once again as I am behind a strong > firewall with much security policies and the licensing software was not > able to connect directly with the SPSS server. Yes I cursed SPSS's new > licensing mechanisms hundred times - but I am still able to work on my > duties. > > Greetings > > Jan > > -----Original Message----- > From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of > Michael Kruger > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:27 PM > To: SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU > Subject: Re: to upgrade or not to upgrade > > Mark, > > I agree whole-heartedly with your commentary. I told Angela to stick > with 11.0 since it will continue to work without annual upgrades and the > bugs that go along with them. I am a statistician at a major medical > school and for years ran data analysis with both SPSS and BMDP. BMDP was > subsequently bought and killed off by SPSS. > > SPSS's major strengths are ease of use, especially with pull down > menus, data handling capacity, and extensive online support via forums > such as this one. But the frequent upgrades, incompatability of output > files with earier releases and buggy features are a real headache. We'r > sort of locked in since it is used in a variety of courses but I am > considering switching to S Plus for the courses that I teach. > > M. Kruger


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