Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:53:04 -0600
Reply-To: Alan Churchill <SASL001@SAVIAN.NET>
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From: Alan Churchill <SASL001@SAVIAN.NET>
Subject: Re: SAS AppDev Studio Capabilities
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Joe,
How does that relate to Adam's need?
Alan
Alan Churchill
Savian "Bridging SAS and Microsoft Technologies"
www.savian.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Whitehurst [mailto:joewhitehurst@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:51 PM
To: Alan Churchill
Cc: SAS-L@listserv.uga.edu
Subject: Re: SAS AppDev Studio Capabilities
Alan,
I'm currently working on a huge web based project (PEMS see recent article
in Computer World) that reaches into every community in the USA. Guess
what, I am working with a team of more than 100 Java
programmers. Most of them might want to take issue with your
Microsoft-Centric approach.
Joe
On 7/18/06, Alan Churchill <SASL001@savian.net> wrote:
> Of course Joe. These things are not either/or. However, Adam indicated
> it was Windows environment. The Microsoft tools are available for free
> and he can achieve what he needs as is, today. Whether AppDev Studio
> or Visual Studios is better is a matter of opinion but I will say,
> rather emphatically, that Microsoft tools are better for making
> Microsoft-looking applications. If this web app is mainly for non-SAS
> users requesting info then using Microsoft tools works quite
> effectively. They can surface SAS and submit SAS code without an issue.
>
> Regardless, platform independence isn't an issue unless it has been
> requested or is a need. SAS is platform independent and has been for a
> long time. However, I've never seen that issue play a significant role
> in any SAS software sale I've been involved in. Nice to have? Sure. Need
to have? No.
> SAS is chosen for its ETL or statistical capabilities.
>
> Finally, EG is the nicest looking SAS app out there (IMO) and it is
> written in C# using Visual Studios.
>
>
> Alan
>
> Alan Churchill
> Savian "Bridging SAS and Microsoft Technologies"
> www.savian.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Whitehurst [mailto:joewhitehurst@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:15 PM
> To: Alan Churchill
> Cc: SAS-L@listserv.uga.edu
> Subject: Re: SAS AppDev Studio Capabilities
>
> Alan,
>
> I think you will agree that your assertion is open to debate and might
> involve many considerations that have not been mentioned yet.
>
> Joe
>
> On 7/18/06, Alan Churchill <SASL001@savian.net> wrote:
> > Joe,
> >
> > You can also use Microsoft tools and reduce your development costs
> > dramatically.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > Alan Churchill
> > Savian "Bridging SAS and Microsoft Technologies"
> > www.savian.net
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of
> > Joe Whitehurst
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:02 PM
> > To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: SAS AppDev Studio Capabilities
> >
> > Alan,
> >
> > You can make the application look like a Microsoft application
> > without being trapped with Microsoft tools.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > On 7/18/06, Alan Churchill <SASL001@savian.net> wrote:
> > > Or you take a novel, non-IT approach, and ask the users what they
> > > would like to see and not worry about the platform. Typically,
> > > what I see
> > are:
> > >
> > > "Can it look like Outlook?"
> > >
> > > "I like the way that Excel lets me do x, y, and z..."
> > >
> > > "You know in Internet Explorer where..."
> > >
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Users like Microsoft products because they are easy to use and
function.
> > > Regardless of that, Microsoft is normally what people use so
> > > people like applications that look like them (helps minimize training
as well).
> > >
> > > Windows is not a trap: it is the preferred environment for 90+% of
> > > desktops out there. To deviate from that should be done for a
> > > reason and not just to further an agenda. If AppDev Studio is the
> > > right platform then make that decision based upon what the users
> > > want, what the organization needs, and what your environment looks
like.
> > > Don't make it because of an ethereal concept like 'platform
> independence'.
> > >
> > > Is platform independence a requirement now or in the near future?
> > > If not, ignore it as a concern.
> > >
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > Alan Churchill
> > > Savian "Bridging SAS and Microsoft Technologies"
> > > www.savian.net
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf
> > > Of Joe Whitehurst
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:34 PM
> > > To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: SAS AppDev Studio Capabilities
> > >
> > > Adam,
> > >
> > > Without knowing more about your current environment including
> > > numbers of users, skill sets and levels of you and your coworkers,
> > > budget, timetable for development as well as your future planned
> > > environment and staffing levels, I doubt anyone could say
> > > definitively that AppDev Studio is the "right" solution. If you
> > > want to maintain the platform independence that SAS offers, I
> > > would recommend that you completely avoid any solution that would
> > > trap you in the Windows environment and AppDev Studio can
> > > certainly guarantee that. AppDev Studio is also more tightly
> > > integrated with the rest of the SAS System than any third
> > party software could possible be.
> > >
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > On 7/18/06, adamwashere@gmail.com <adamwashere@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I'm new to SAS and have a question about the AppDev Studio
> > > > software capabilities. My organization has a few SAS models
> > > > which we would like to turn into more accessible web apps. Is
> > > > AppDev Studio the right solution? Thanks for the help.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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