Joe,

I'm surprised you couldn't talk the 100 java coders into using SCL...probably a bunch of visceral reactors ;-]

Alan

Alan Churchill Savian "Bridging SAS and Microsoft Technologies" www.savian.net

-----Original Message----- From: Joe Whitehurst [mailto:joewhitehurst@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:02 PM To: Alan Churchill Cc: SAS-L@listserv.uga.edu Subject: Re: SAS AppDev Studio Capabilities

Alan,

Merely anecdotal evidence that Microsoft-Centric approaches have serious competition which might help him realize that his recommendation to his bosses ought to note that there is no slam-dunk decision possible. I wouldn't want him to look like George Tennant!

Joe

On 7/18/06, Alan Churchill <SASL001@savian.net> wrote: > Joe, > > How does that relate to Adam's need? > > Alan > > Alan Churchill > Savian "Bridging SAS and Microsoft Technologies" > www.savian.net > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Whitehurst [mailto:joewhitehurst@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:51 PM > To: Alan Churchill > Cc: SAS-L@listserv.uga.edu > Subject: Re: SAS AppDev Studio Capabilities > > Alan, > > I'm currently working on a huge web based project (PEMS see recent > article in Computer World) that reaches into every community in the > USA. Guess what, I am working with a team of more than 100 Java > programmers. Most of them might want to take issue with your > Microsoft-Centric approach. > > Joe > > On 7/18/06, Alan Churchill <SASL001@savian.net> wrote: > > Of course Joe. These things are not either/or. However, Adam > > indicated it was Windows environment. The Microsoft tools are > > available for free and he can achieve what he needs as is, today. > > Whether AppDev Studio or Visual Studios is better is a matter of > > opinion but I will say, rather emphatically, that Microsoft tools > > are better for making Microsoft-looking applications. If this web > > app is mainly for non-SAS users requesting info then using Microsoft > > tools works quite effectively. They can surface SAS and submit SAS code without an issue. > > > > Regardless, platform independence isn't an issue unless it has been > > requested or is a need. SAS is platform independent and has been for > > a long time. However, I've never seen that issue play a significant > > role in any SAS software sale I've been involved in. Nice to have? > > Sure. Need > to have? No. > > SAS is chosen for its ETL or statistical capabilities. > > > > Finally, EG is the nicest looking SAS app out there (IMO) and it is > > written in C# using Visual Studios. > > > > > > Alan > > > > Alan Churchill > > Savian "Bridging SAS and Microsoft Technologies" > > www.savian.net > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Whitehurst [mailto:joewhitehurst@gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:15 PM > > To: Alan Churchill > > Cc: SAS-L@listserv.uga.edu > > Subject: Re: SAS AppDev Studio Capabilities > > > > Alan, > > > > I think you will agree that your assertion is open to debate and > > might involve many considerations that have not been mentioned yet. > > > > Joe > > > > On 7/18/06, Alan Churchill <SASL001@savian.net> wrote: > > > Joe, > > > > > > You can also use Microsoft tools and reduce your development costs > > > dramatically. > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > Alan Churchill > > > Savian "Bridging SAS and Microsoft Technologies" > > > www.savian.net > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf > > > Of Joe Whitehurst > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:02 PM > > > To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: SAS AppDev Studio Capabilities > > > > > > Alan, > > > > > > You can make the application look like a Microsoft application > > > without being trapped with Microsoft tools. > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > On 7/18/06, Alan Churchill <SASL001@savian.net> wrote: > > > > Or you take a novel, non-IT approach, and ask the users what > > > > they would like to see and not worry about the platform. > > > > Typically, what I see > > > are: > > > > > > > > "Can it look like Outlook?" > > > > > > > > "I like the way that Excel lets me do x, y, and z..." > > > > > > > > "You know in Internet Explorer where..." > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > Users like Microsoft products because they are easy to use and > function. > > > > Regardless of that, Microsoft is normally what people use so > > > > people like applications that look like them (helps minimize > > > > training > as well). > > > > > > > > Windows is not a trap: it is the preferred environment for 90+% > > > > of desktops out there. To deviate from that should be done for a > > > > reason and not just to further an agenda. If AppDev Studio is > > > > the right platform then make that decision based upon what the > > > > users want, what the organization needs, and what your > > > > environment looks > like. > > > > Don't make it because of an ethereal concept like 'platform > > independence'. > > > > > > > > Is platform independence a requirement now or in the near future? > > > > If not, ignore it as a concern. > > > > > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > Alan Churchill > > > > Savian "Bridging SAS and Microsoft Technologies" > > > > www.savian.net > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On > > > > Behalf Of Joe Whitehurst > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:34 PM > > > > To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU > > > > Subject: Re: SAS AppDev Studio Capabilities > > > > > > > > Adam, > > > > > > > > Without knowing more about your current environment including > > > > numbers of users, skill sets and levels of you and your > > > > coworkers, budget, timetable for development as well as your > > > > future planned environment and staffing levels, I doubt anyone > > > > could say definitively that AppDev Studio is the "right" > > > > solution. If you want to maintain the platform independence > > > > that SAS offers, I would recommend that you completely avoid any > > > > solution that would trap you in the Windows environment and > > > > AppDev Studio can certainly guarantee that. AppDev Studio is > > > > also more tightly integrated with the rest of the SAS System > > > > than any third > > > party software could possible be. > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > On 7/18/06, adamwashere@gmail.com <adamwashere@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > I'm new to SAS and have a question about the AppDev Studio > > > > > software capabilities. My organization has a few SAS models > > > > > which we would like to turn into more accessible web apps. Is > > > > > AppDev Studio the right solution? Thanks for the help. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >