I never said that Microsoft always plays nice. What BillG and company did to
IBM is legendary. However, it is perfectly fine for a company to shift
directions and to not try and prop up their competitors. IBM had more than
enough opportunity to sell OS/2 and WordPerfect and 1-2-3 were the absolute
market leaders. Microsoft just took it to their throats, preserved, and made
a better product. I used to use OS/2 as well and I didn't like it. Lotus was
always nice but Wordperfect was made for secretaries, not for the everyday
I think Microsoft succeeds for 2 reasons: a) they build the development
tools first, then the products, b) they reward their employees handsomely
Not every one will like them but then again, not everyone likes SAS. I tend
to stick with those that contributed to my success. There are too many
technologies out there to keep up with everything and I know both SAS and
Microsoft work and work well.
Anyone can uninstall Excel at anytime and replace it with open source stuff.
Free will reigns.
Savian "Bridging SAS and Microsoft Technologies"
From: William W. Viergever [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:02 PM
To: Alan Churchill; SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: numbers "that look like" characters in Excel to SAS
At 06:47 AM 1/31/2007, Alan Churchill wrote:
>No one forces you to use Excel. There are plenty of programs that can read
>and write to Excel format. The government does not mandate Excel usage:
>This reminds me of the QWERTY/Dvorak keyboard debate, VHS vs betaMax, etc.
>ad nauseum. Microsoft became dominant because their stuff worked better
although i agree w/ your 1st paragraph totally, and somewhat the 2nd
(like the 1st sentence only), let me point out that:
M$ screwed IBM (who let them), and indirectly Lotus & WordPerfect
when Bill Gates did his Comdex 90 or 91 opener by releasing Word 1.0
and Excel 3.0 for Windows, OS/2 and the Mac ... AND saying that M$'s
"flagship" products would always run on these three platforms ...
all the while not fulfilling their contractual obligations, at least
in the spirit thereof, for co-developing OS/2 and putting most of
their efforts instead into Windows
now ... setting the Way Back Machine for MA & UT ... we see Lotus &
WordPerfect trying, desperately, to play catch-up by developing GUI
apps for OS/2 ... which,a s mentioned above, was a doomed path (take
your pick: OS/2 was doomed OR M$ wasn't going to release more current
version of Excel & Word for OS/2)
with M$ doing their best not to release all relevant Windows info
(APIs?), in timely manner, Lotus & WordPerfect were always at least
one rev behind on the Windows front as well ...
so the MA & UT crews were screwed, too
after beta-ing OS/2 SAS (under Dave Brummit, RIP) & going w/ OS/2 SAS
(vs. PC SAS) and Lotus/WP (cuz there were no M$ OS/2 apps when i
switched from DESQview/DOS to OS/2) i later made the switch from
Lotus/WordPerfect to Excel/Word (for as you say, they were better
apps given the GUI's and other features), somewhat assuaged by Bill
Gates COMDEX perjury, AT GREAT EXPENSE, not only in $$ but in
re-writing & testing extensive Lotus & WP macros
suffice it to say, i am NOT a big M$ fan
just my $0.02
>Their stuff still works better which is why they lead the
>market. And just when folks said they are down for the count, out comes
>Office 2007 which completely changed the playing field. Face it: they are
>good at what they do. I admire companies that ram it down the throat of
>their competitors. Vicious but fair competition.
>You have loads of choices out there. Use Google's new spreadsheet or the
>Open Office stuff.
>Savian "Bridging SAS and Microsoft Technologies"
>From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of
>Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2007 2:56 AM
>Subject: Re: numbers "that look like" characters in Excel to SAS
>Or the defacto standard brought about by a monopoly?
>On Tue, 30 Jan 2007 17:21:16 -0700, Alan Churchill <SASL001@SAVIAN.NET>
>wrote (in part):
> >Excel is THE most *popular* tool in the world for manipulating data.
> >Alan Churchill
> >Savian "Bridging SAS and Microsoft Technologies"
William W. Viergever
Viergever & Associates
Health Data Analysis / Systems Design & Development
Sacramento, CA 95825