Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 10:26:29 -0700
Reply-To: CICS List <CICS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
Sender: CICS List <CICS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
From: Rick Woods <Rick.Woods@AZDOA.GOV>
Subject: Re: Long Live the Mainframe
Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
All you say may be true, but all it takes is for the person making the
decisions to be sold a bill of goods by the vendors.
Then, it doesn't matter what the realities are. You're preaching to the
choir; but mainframe environments continue to grow scarcer.
>>> "Schneck.Glenn" <Glenn.Schneck@SUNTRUST.COM> 2/21/2007 10:13 AM
OK, my 2 cents..........
In the past 15 years I have heard about the mainframe 'going away' yet
it is still here and stronger then ever. At SHARE last week there
many stories about z/Linux taking hold and how to SOA Enable the
mainframe. As for the people issue, IBM is attempting to bridge the
with the academic initiative, and as with anything new, it is going to
take time. The zNextgen project at SHARE is doing their part with
introduction sessions for those who can attend.
If you look at the enhancements of CICS and the use of specialty
processors the TOC of the mainframe is much CHEAPER then the
alternatives. Especially when you figure in all the other costs of
space, energy, cooling and people to support.............
I always get a kick out of statements like, 'our server is just like a
mainframe'. If you want a mainframe then use the mainframe. IMHO
really needs to be done is that the vendors have to get their heads
of their AIX and start writing for it again!!
MicroFocus Server Express??? All I can say is that you must not have
large system they are 'replacing' because I really don't see how they
can do that.
So, with that said, I am not concerned about the final 15 years of my
career, there will always be CICS and there will always be the
Getting off the soap box now.............
Glenn A. Schneck
AVP, Tech Team Lead, CICS/MQSeries
Mainframe Services, Online Systems Services
SunTrust Banks, Inc.
From: CICS List [mailto:CICS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of lee dawn
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: Long Live the Mainframe
ahhh, the best laid plans ......
I recently received an email from an old customer of mine that had a
5year plan back in 2002, they just re-targeted" for 2012 ,,
Good luck with your conversion at ND...
"Jangula, Duane A." <djangula@ND.GOV> wrote:
I saw all the posting on ''long live the mainframe''. I
comment on this. As you may have seen in prior postings, ND is
but surely doing away with the m/f. We have hired a contractor
migrate all app's to a Linux Suse platform. We plan to be off
the next two years. We have scheduled this migration in four
Phase 1 will be completed by end of April. Phase 2 following
months. Phase 3 and 4 are more difficult and so will take more
for each phase then the first two.
Software to be used:
Microfocus Server Express products - this product(s) will make
linux processes look somewhat like the m/f. You have a jes
input/output q's, console log, and many other goodies somewhat
m/f. The product has the JES feature along with a CICS
somewhat amazing just how similar this product makes the
look like a m/f. The product has a web based frontend.
Security is not near as good, but they are working on
have a Racf like component were told, but is not quite ready
what I can see, Security will be a sore spot on the linux
Software Ag products: Because we have natural/adabas shop,
products on the linux box run basically the same as they do on
Oracle/Db2 products: There are client products that have to be
installed on Linux to talk to data bases residing on their
servers. So far these two areas have a gray look to them, but
workable. The oracle install is somewhat or maybe I should say
difficult (to be truthful).
There are several other products involved, but I don't know
them to make any kind of opinion.
I have worked on the m/f for the last 33 years. But now for
year or so am working on the m/f and linux platform.
One thing that I have noticed is that you have more control on
then you do on a linux box. The scripts on the linux box
limited amount of intervention by the installer. This may
but from the products that we have for migration, it does not
Our management is determined to get us off the m/f. Whether it
cheaper to operate the shop, time will tell. But as most of
managers are becoming younger and for the most part have
knowledge of the m/f. And so all they know is what runs on a
Information Technology Dept. State of North Dakota
Finding fabulous fares is fun.
Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites
Nw--> to find flight and hotel bargains.
The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or
entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or
privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other
use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or
entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have
received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the
material from any computer.
SunTrust and Seeing beyond money are federally registered service marks
of SunTrust Banks, Inc.