Date:         Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:09:59 -0500
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From:         Steve Wood <swood@UK.IBM.COM>
Subject:      Re: CICS Service Flow Feature for CICS TS 3.2

Carl, The complexities of migrating froward to SFF from withdrawn
offerings such as MQIAC and MDP are well recognized. However, only a very
very few customers, including yourself, are following this path.

My understanding is that your team have had very close support from IBM in
helping you move forward. If you feel that you require more support please
work through your account team to determine what can be done to help
further.

Regards, Steve Wood.


On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:39:40 +0100, Mc Burnie, Carl
<Carl.McBurnie@COMMERZBANK.COM> wrote:

>Hi Steve,
>
>With all due respect I have to disagree with your "as a one off exercise"
>description of the migration from SFF for CICS TS 3.1 to SFF for CICS TS
>3.2.
>
>Although your statement may be correct in its specific context, it's worth
>letting the CICS community know that prior to this "one off exercise"
there
>were SEVERAL "one off excercises" for migration from
>
>Message Driven processor (MDp) to MQSeries Integrator Agent for CICS TS
>(MQIAC) 1.1.1
>MQIAC 1.1.1 to MQIAC 1.1.2
>MQIAC 1.1.2 to MQIAC 1.1.3
>MQIAC 1.1.3 to SFF for CICS TS 3.1
>
>On that basis existing customers may find it very hard to believe that
this
>will indeed be the last "one off exercise".
>
>Also considering that MQIAC had its own development product (builder),
which
>was then replaced by WDz, which in turn is now being replaced by RDz and
>little or no tooling was provided for the migrations, it has been a very
>labour intensive and expensive product up to now. SFF for CICS TS may
still
>be a no charge feature, but none of its predecessors were and the time
spent
>on "incompatibility migrations" isn't free either.
>
>If anyone considering using SFF for CICS TS is confused, they should take
>heart, as they're not half as confused as those who have been using it and
>its predecessors for several years! :-/
>
>Cheers!
>
>Carl
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: CICS List [mailto:CICS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:21 PM
>To: CICS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: CICS Service Flow Feature for CICS TS 3.2
>
>Hi Ian, to clarify; the Service Flow Feature for CICS TS V3.2 continues to
>be a fully supported no charge feature. The development tool for SFF,
>Rational Developer for System Z V7.1, continues to be provided in the CICS
>TS V3.2 base package on a trial basis.
>
>SFF forward migration from CICS TS v3.1 to V3.2 is supported at the model
>level. This requires that (as a one off exercise) any service flow models
>that you have built on CICS TS V3.1 are imported into RDz v7.1 regenerated
>and deployed to CICS TS V3.2. This is required becuse the service flow
>runtime was engineered to be more of a part of CICS in CICS TS V3.2 since
>it is an important strategic option in support the CICS Web Services
>technologies. In the future the goal is that binary compatibility will be
>maintained when migrating.
>
>To help CICS TS V3.1 service flow customers get ready for migration the
>CICS Service Flow Feature for CICS TS V3.1 has been updated to include
>Rational Developer for System Z v7.1.
>
>Anyone that has CICS TS V3.1 should refresh order the Service Flow Feature
>to get the latest RDz V7.1 tooling as soon as possible. Again, I would
>stress that SFF is a no charge feature so the refresh order won't cost you
>a bean ! ( and you get the latest available tool ).
>
>When you move to CICS TS V3.2 if your developers want to use RDz with CICS
>SFF then you can buy entitlements in addition to the free trail copy that
>comes with CICS TS. The Rational tools have prooved very popular with
>application developers and architects so you may find that your developers
>are already on the path to a full function RDz. If they're not then its a
>good time to get them to think about it as Rational are offering
>preferential terms for RDz at the moment.
>
>All of this is described in a letter mailed to all CICS TS V3.1 Service
>Flow Feature customers that was issued on November 19th.
>
>Hope that helps !
>
>Regards,
>Steve Wood
>CICS Transaction Server Product Line Manager.
>IBM Hursley Park.
>
>
>
>
>On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:50:53 -0500, PCS <pcs305@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
>
>>So in short this means that Service Flow Feature is now a Cost option?
>>
>>It is not backwards compatible AND you have to pay for it?
>>
>>That does not sound right.
>>
>>Ian
>>http://www.pcs305.com
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:42:29 -0800, Henry Fogwill <hfogwill@YAHOO.COM>
>wrote:
>>
>>>Hi John,
>>>What release of CICS - TS 3.1 / TS 3.2?
>>>
>>>You need to start visiting the array of websites documenting all the
>pieces
>>you need to get this working. Pay special attention to the support sites
>>because you need to get the software levels very right before all the
>pieces
>>will work nicely together. The service packs is rather large so make sure
>>you save the maintenance somewhere before you start the install instead
of
>>downloading it as part of the install or you might have to download this
a
>>few times. Rather large means many gigabytes.
>>>
>>>On the mainframe side you need the CICS runtime piece and the WD4Z
>started
>>task if you want direct access to datasets and deployment.
>>>
>>>On the pc side you need to get WD4Z installed in of the Rational
>>installation. SFM is part of the WD4Z installation.
>>>
>>>The Rational WD4Z support site can be found from the support link off
the
>>home page at:
>>>http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/rdz/
>>>
>>>The Rational support site can be found from the support link at this
url:
>>>http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/developer/application/
>>>
>>>
>>>I was just this week reading the document on TS 3.2 and tools licensing
>for
>>SFM. You might want to review this document if you are on TS 3.1 and plan
>to
>>go to TS 3.2 expecting no upgrade when using SFM:
>>>http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?
>rs=1083&context=SSGMGV&dc=D600&uid=swg21286558&loc=en_US&cs=UTF-
>8&lang=en&rss=ct1083other
>>>
>>>I need to read this a few more times to understand it but it does look
>like
>>the free SFF in pre TS 3.2 is coming to an end when going to TS 3.2 and
>beyond.
>>>
>>>Henry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----
>>>From: "Chase, John" <jchase@USSCO.COM>
>>>To: CICS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>>Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 8:17:57 AM
>>>Subject: CICS Service Flow Feature for CICS TS 3.2
>>>
>>>CICS Service Flow Feature for CICS TS 3.2
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>OK, I've installed the CBPDO.  What now?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>There was NO documentation specific to the SFF included in the order:
>>NOTHING on how to tailor it for our shop, what (if anything) needs to be
>>copied, massaged or whatever.  Only the Program Directory (installation
>was
>>a "slam-dunk", btw), the Licensed Program Specification and the
>CBPDO "Memo
>>to Users".  That's all!
>>>
>>>
>>>Our Applications folks are using RAD 7.1 on the client end, but I'm not
>>included in that group; hence have no doco for it and don't know what to
>ask
>>for.
>>>
>>>
>>>How do I "enable" the SFF for them?  "Trial and error"?  If so, where do
>I
>>start?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>TIA,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    -jc-
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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