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Date:         Wed, 9 Apr 2008 14:49:25 -0400
Reply-To:     "Sridhar, Nagakumar" <nsridhar@RPSWEB.COM>
Sender:       "SAS(r) Discussion" <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
From:         "Sridhar, Nagakumar" <nsridhar@RPSWEB.COM>
Subject:      Re: Programmer Skill Set
Comments: To: Mary <mlhoward@avalon.net>
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Mary, it's as simple to explain the clique mentality: When an American visits another country, he identifies other Americans while in that country and they seem to "hang out" together. It's only when he/she can not find another American that the actual learning starts. Like wise with the Indian student.

________________________________ From: Mary [mailto:mlhoward@avalon.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 2:47 PM To: Sridhar, Nagakumar; SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Re: Programmer Skill Set

Some of these students spend tens of thousands of dollars to come to the U.S. to study, such as to get a degree in statistics or computer science; but what they don't learn is American English, and it is the combination of American English along with these skills that makes them valuable. They don't seem to realize this when they come to college here, or perhaps the allure of cliques of people with their own language is to strong for them to resist, and so it is only when they get jobs that they start to learn to speak English, when it would have been easier to start when they first came to college here.

Why do they not understand that one cannot be a computer programmer or a statistician without language communication skills in the language that they plan to work in?

-Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Sridhar, Nagakumar<mailto:nsridhar@rpsweb.com> To: Mary<mailto:mlhoward@avalon.net> ; SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU<mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 1:19 PM Subject: RE: Re: Programmer Skill Set

In my case, I was brought up in the US of A (about 40 years ago!) and so English became an integral part of my life. Taking over telemarketing, that's a different ball-game. Most of these tele-marketers are English speaking (in fact some of them speak far better English than we do, in the US). There is a selection criteria that is strictly followed. Most people send their children to private schools (the private school system is far more accessible there than it is here). Even those who send their kids to private schools are not guaranteed that their kids will speak English (because the teachers also have to speak English). Their (the teacher's) knowledge of English is good (by their standards) and it is very British (and with a thick accent!!) but that would definitely not work in the US of A.

In regards to forming groups, it exists among Indian students too. They form their own cliques (for lack of a better word) and don't seem to steer away from it. The problem comes when they graduate and start work (in different locations) and are then forced to interact with other people. That's when they find out that it's not "just Indians" or "just Chinese" but a mix of all nationalities.

Colleges (in the US) are now aware of this problem and are asking non-Indians to act as host-families to the Indian student. This forces the Indian student to start thinking in "American" rather than in an Indian language. Definitely helps to a certain degree but the Indian student still goes back to his/her clique. The Indian students (they're multi-lingual) end up having to speak American (with no accent) while speaking to other Americans and Indian English (while speaking to other Indians). Life is not so easy for these students (it doesn't matter what nationality they are!).

Kumar


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