Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:28:45 -0700
Reply-To: Jack Hamilton <jfh@STANFORDALUMNI.ORG>
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From: Jack Hamilton <jfh@STANFORDALUMNI.ORG>
Subject: Re: new to the sas
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I completely agree. There are some SAS jobs, I suspect, which require
neither written nor spoken language skills, but they probably don't
pay well. Of the two, written skills are probably more important.
Arjun, if a potential employer knows nothing about you except that you
can't spell, you're not likely to get hired. SAS-L isn't text
messaging: don't spell "you" as "u"; use a spell checker, and a
grammar checker if possible (even though grammar checkers aren't 100%
reliable); learn the rules for capitalization in English; try to get a
better feel for the appropriate use of articles (we would say "New to
SAS", not "new to the sas").
On May 23, 2008, at 7:25 AM, Mary wrote:
> I have no interest in helping you find a job; I do continue to find
> your written language skills to be quite bad, so even if I had a job
> to offer I wouldn't hire you, but I'm not an employer in any case.
> Try www.monster.com; but I'd suggest you work on improving your
> written language skills if you expect to get a postion.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Arjun A
> To: Mary
> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 2:28 AM
> Subject: Re: new to the sas
> Hi mary ,
> I Really want to say thanks for giving such a valueble
> information .Let me tell u one thing that i have already been
> trained in sas, during mba itself .Please give me u r valueble
> inforamtion that where can i get the oppurtunities and what sort of
> steps has to be taken to get job .
> Mary <email@example.com> wrote:
> A few points on "choosing SAS as a career".
> Choosing SAS implies that you will either become a computer
> programmer (usually with a strong database/data mining perspective),
> or a statistical programmer/statistician. In order to become that
> you'd need:
> 1. Strong written language skills, which is the ability to write
> clearly so that everybody can understand what you have written.
> Your language in asking the question below is very lax, in that you
> are using few capitals, poor spelling, and substitute letters like
> "r" and "u" which would not be easy for everyone to understand, even
> English speakers, let alone people whose first language is not
> English. Programmers often set up work and then move on to another
> position, and the documentation and programs they leave behind has
> to speak for itself.
> **Arjun, I have to say that your language below is not encouraging
> in terms of your ability to become a SAS programmer.**
> 2. The ability to concentrate and work for very long periods of
> time. Programmers often sit for 8 hours a day and don't talk to
> anyone except perhaps on e-mail. Very social people usually can't
> do this very well.
> 3. The ability to conform to programming standards, such as
> indentation and programming style.
> 4. The ability to problem-solve.
> 5. A foundation. You've got an MBA, and I assume that means that
> you have little foundation in the way of computer programming
> courses or statistical courses. You'd really have to have some sort
> of foundation in order to do well. I think someone could acquire a
> foundation, but I'm wary of those with no foundation really being
> able to become a SAS programmer. An example of a foundation would
> a. Taking 10 or so SAS Institute Courses in the area that you
> want to specialize in (SAS database or SAS statistical programming).
> b. Taking a computing certificate in Microsoft Office (XP, Word,
> Excel, Access), because SAS programmers often interact with these
> products, or some sort of equivalent.
> c. Taking a number of applied statistics courses (for data mining/
> SAS statistical programming.
> d. Taking a number of object-oriented computer programming
> courses (.NET, C#, JAVA, PowerBuilder).
> Becoming a SAS programmer takes years, not just a few months. If
> you are someone who is willing to engage in continuing education and
> constant learning for years and years, then you can become a better
> and better SAS programmer as you go.
> But then, I think any profession requires a foundation and then
> constant improvement. My brother is a carpenter, and started out
> as an apprentice to a master carpenter, and also took classes at the
> community college. It was only after years of training that he was
> able to start his own business and actually call himself a carpenter.
> You asked my opinion!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gets_arjun@YAHOO.COM
> To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:02 AM
> Subject: new to the sas
> HI all ,
> This is arjun and i did my mba. i would like to choose sas
> as a
> career . I need u people suggistions that wether will it be a
> for me r not and onemorething is if i choose sas how the future