No you are mixing two issues. Software companies have to pay because of an organization called NASSCOM (Association of Software companies) . Remember India exports a lot of software too.

But in home PCs , most of India runs of self assembled PCs (almost everyone has a cousin who is an engineer thanks to some cultural thing about engineering, and cheap spare parts etc are very easily available)

It is this home market that cracked copies flourish, especially of Windows etc . For SAS ,SPSS cracked copies are rarely known (and maybe you can introduce me to your friend)...

That's because you need a lot of data too (mostly sensitive) ..In order to be a data vendor you have to submit to outsourcing audits as well......so being legit is a forced necessity..

What sometimes happens ......some smart guy takes SAS cd home from the office and installs it on his PC for cheap thrills..cause he wont be able to take huge datasets anyway so easily .....and gives the rest of the industry a bad name.....

Also crackers generally target mainstream softwares..like Office, Windows XP ,Anti Virus packages etc..

On Sat, Jul 5, 2008 at 2:04 AM, RolandRB <rolandberry@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 4, 6:24 pm, ohri2...@GMAIL.COM (ajay ohri) wrote: > > No SAS India charges just as nicely. Perhaps even more because the market > is > > smaller ,awareness of alternatives is bad and there are no SAS re > sellers. > > SAS India also has a more active sales team than SPSS India. I have > > interacted with all. > > > > And India in 2008 is more expensive outsourcing than (sigh) Ukraine, > Poland > > and Romania (which unfortunately for India) also produce much more > > statisticians . This is based on personal experience. Poland is slightly > > more expensive than Ukraine and Romania. Biggest surprise...millions of > > Chinese who cant master English accent for call centers sure can write > proc > > freq , proc sql, proc means and paste it an excel report for 8 hours a > day > > at rates lower than India .Cutting edge stuff remains with the US > ....home > > of the brave (and SAS) > > > > What goes around comes around huh! > > I have been reliably informed that no software company worth its salt > in India actually PAYS for a full copy of software in India. There are > always infinitely cheaper "cracked" alternatives. I know someone who > is running off a cracked version of sas v9.2 and they have told me it > WORKS PERFECTLY well and never gives them any problems. So, what I am > saying is........ cheaper alternatives to SAS do exist......... even > if it is SAS itself. > > > Have a happy 4 th of July Roland RB. > > And for what reason? I can't remember anyone throwing a crate of tea > into the water anywhere near me. Not that it should be anything to > celebrate. The water for tea has to be at the proper temperaturs (i.e. > 100°C). > > > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 5:54 PM, RolandRB <rolandbe...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Jul 4, 1:31 pm, ohri2...@GMAIL.COM (ajay ohri) wrote: > > > > Unless you add outsourcing (to consultants or offshore) as an option > for > > > > staff costs to make the picture even more dynamic (which it is) > > > > > Put your SAS server in India as well. That way you get SAS for free! > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 2:45 PM, RolandRB <rolandbe...@hotmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > On Jul 4, 8:20 am, ohri2...@GMAIL.COM (ajay ohri) wrote: > > > > > > Wow! Great and Useful stuff especially for statistical niche uses > > > (R,S > > > > > Plus) > > > > > > , cost optimization and multiple platform computing. > > > > > > > > SAS is king still (though the price hurts) ! > > > > > > > > and a Happy 4 th July to all of you. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Ajay > > > > > > > >www.decisionstats.com > > > > > > > I can't see this happening in the real world but if a company > wanted > > > > > the data handling power of sas plus brilliant graphics and > > > > > comprehensive statistics and all on the cheap then there is nothing > to > > > > > stop them using WPS as a SAS replacement and calling other software > > > > > packages in batch mode (WPS supports the "X" system command though > it > > > > > says it is only meaningful for Windows). How to call other software > > > > > packages in batch mode is easy. I explain it on the following page. > > > > > > >http://www.datasavantconsulting.com/roland/sasplus.html > > > > > > > Note that although you get the functionality cheap, your > programmers > > > > > need to be able to code in more than one language so you have to > train > > > > > them and hope you can find enough programmers. So although you have > > > > > saved on the software licence side, this has to be offset against > the > > > > > extra costs of training and the difficulty of finding suitable > staff. > > > > > Also, the style of working would be unique to the organisation and > > > > > would likely have to remain within the organisation. This is why I > > > > > don't see it happening. The SAS licence fees may seem less > exorbitant > > > > > if translated into staff saving costs. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 9:51 AM, KL <Kev.L.Sc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 3, 2:20 pm, RolandRB <rolandbe...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Extending the power of SAS software using other software > packages > > > > > > > > > >http://www.datasavantconsulting.com/roland/sasplus.html > > > > > > > > > Useful information. Some useful tools that I use when I have to > > > > > > > utilize R, MATLAB, and other system executables are the %xlog > %xlst > > > > > > > macros. These are delivered in sas/core which is associated > with > > > every > > > > > > > SAS install. These macros pipe commands to the OS which allows > for > > > > > > > more information to be gathered with respect to OS errors. > > > > > > > > > %xlog takes one argument which is to be executed with the > command > > > > > > > shell of the OS you are running and it returns STDOUT and > STDERR > > > back > > > > > > > to the SAS log location(unless they are redirected). > > > > > > > > > %xlst takes one argument which is to be executed with the > command > > > > > > > shell of the OS you are running and it returns the STDOUT and > > > STDERR > > > > > > > back to the SAS output location(unless they are redirected). > > > > > > > > > Unix directory listing example: > > > > > > > > > %xlog(ls -la); > > > > > > > %xlst(ls -la); > > > > > > > > > Windows example: > > > > > > > > > %xlog(dir); > > > > > > > %xlst(dir);- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - >