Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:46:28 -0400
Reply-To: Gerhard Hellriegel <gerhard.hellriegel@T-ONLINE.DE>
Sender: "SAS(r) Discussion" <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
From: Gerhard Hellriegel <gerhard.hellriegel@T-ONLINE.DE>
Subject: Re: Disable License Expire Warning ??
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:56:41 -0700, mischman <mischman@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>On Aug 17, 10:49 am, donaldjhender...@HOTMAIL.COM (Don Henderson)
>wrote:
>> Jack,
>>
>> I would much prefer that SAS work on improving their software and not
spend
>> any R&D time and effort figuring out how to configure the SAS install on
>> their user's machines to:
>>
>> - know what the email address is for the responsible person at AP
>> - know what the proper email settings are to enable your SAS install to
send
>> such email
>> - figure out a way to make sure that such auto-generated email is not
>> treated as SPAM
>>
>> And, BTW, the above was all tongue-in-cheek as I assume your comment was
>> about having SAS email AP. And, what Peter suggested should do just
that -
>> it should cause the person to notify someone in charge to take care of a
>> bill that is way past due.
>>
>> Now to a more serious comment, I would be willing to bet a reasonable
amount
>> of money that the folks at SAS are contacting the peeple who are
writing the
>> checks. And if your organization chooses to not pay their bills anywhere
>> close to on-time I don't see how you can hold SAS responsible for that.
>>
>> Imagine the shouts of complaints on this list if all of a sudden the
>> software stopped working because the license has expired. Other vendors
used
>> to do that and learned their lesson.
>>
>> Let me give you a sample of the timing of this. And this is a real
example
>> as I started getting these messages this past Thursday as I was away
when I
>> received my updated "SID" for SAS 9. As a SAS Alliance Partner and
>> consultant my Alliance Fee includes my SAS license. So I know when the
bills
>> are sent, when they are due and when those obnoxious messages start.
>>
>> - License period id July 1 - June 30
>> - Bill sent by SAS May 7 - Net 30 days - so it is due June 6
>> - I paid on/about on-time
>> - I received my updated SID later in June
>> - Since I forgot to apply the SID when it arrived, the messages started
>> appearing 45 days AFTER June 30 - on August 14
>> - Upon running PROC SETINIT, I confirmed I had not applied the new SID
and
>> that the software would stop working 90 days after June 30.
>> - I applied the new SID and the messages stopped.
>>
>> So you can see that the messages, in my case, did not show up until
close to
>> 70 days after the bill was due.
>>
>> There are "countably infinite" things about SAS and especially their
pricing
>> model that I really don't like. But generating these admitted over top
>> messages when my license fee is over 2 months overdue is not one of the
>> things I believe is a legitimate complaint.
>>
>> Regards,
>> donh
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SA...@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On
>> > Behalf Of Jack Hamilton
>> > Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 1:40 AM
>> > To: SA...@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> > Subject: Re: Disable License Expire Warning ??
>>
>> > On Aug 16, 2008, at 5:46 pm, Don Henderson wrote:
>>
>> > > Joe,
>>
>> > > Interesting list ;-).
>>
>> > > With respect to the Jack's comment about companies taking
>> > their time
>> > > to pay.
>> > > That is correct and very common.
>>
>> > > But Peter is correct that the appropriate response is to
>> > pay the bill.
>>
>> > Yes, but it doesn't do any good to tell *me* that hundreds of times.
>> > They need to set it up to send email to the head of accounts payable.
>>
>> > --
>> > Jack Hamilton
>> > j...@alumni.stanford.org
>> > videtis illam spirare libertatis auram
>>
>> > > If
>> > > the annual license fee is paid on time or even close to
>> > on-time, those
>> > > messages never appear in the log. They start to appear 45
>> > days AFTER
>> > > the license expiration as SAS provides a 90 grace period.
>> > The first 45
>> > > days with no warning; then next 45 with the warning. Once
>> > that 90 days
>> > > is up, SAS simply stops working.
>>
>> > > Regards
>> > > donh
>>
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SA...@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On
>> > Behalf Of
>> > >> Joe Whitehurst
>> > >> Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 3:32 PM
>> > >> To: SA...@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> > >> Subject: Re: Disable License Expire Warning ??
>>
>> > > ..snipped...
>>
>> > >> On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Jack Hamilton
>> > >> <j...@stanfordalumni.org>wrote:
>>
>> > >>> People who work for corporations with slow accounting departments
>> > >>> sometimes see these warning messages for months. They
>> > can't cause
>> > >>> Accounts Payable to send SAS Institute a check. There's no
>> > >> point in
>> > >>> users having to see these messages at all, and certainly
>> > >> not dozens or
>> > >>> hundreds of times.
>>
>> > >>> Companies with $100,000+ bills do see some benefit in
>> > >> delaying payment
>> > >>> - two months extra use their money - and that's why they delay.
>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>> Jack Hamilton
>> > >>> j...@alumni.stanford.org
>>
>> > >>> On Aug 16, 2008, at 2:01 am, Peter Crawford wrote:
>>
>> > >>> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:16:13 -0700, jlee8...@gmail.com
>> > >>> <jlee8...@GMAIL.COM
>> > >>>>> wrote:
>>
>> > >>>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> > >>>>> I appreciate SAS's 45 day prior warning of my license
>> > expiration,
>> > >>>>> but is there a way to disable that warning message?
>>
>> > >>>>> I usually look for green stuff when I debugg...
>>
>> > >>>>> thank you,
>>
>> > >>>>> claus
>>
>> > >>>> really simple!
>>
>> > >>>> no programming required!
>>
>> > >>>> Just pay SAS for renewal
>>
>> > >>>> and and follow the instructions they will email to you
>> > to renew it!
>>
>> > >>>> it is the same for all.
>> > >>>> Why delay the inevitable?
>>
>> > >>>> PeterC- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>~~~ I guess in a pinch you could change the system clock but it hardly
>seems the right thing to do ~~~
Be careful with that! Possibly you cannot use your SAS datasets any more,
because they "are built in future" (which seems to be not possible). In V6
that was the way to avoid that system clock tricks. I'm not sure that this
is still in place, but why SI should remove that? That was only a PC (UNIX
workstation?) - feature. On mainframe nobody would reset the system clock
for you, so it is unnecessary.
Gerhard
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