Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:57:30 -0500
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From: "Peck, Jon" <peck@spss.com>
Subject: Re: Crosstabs - SPSS versus Wincross or ??
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The significance tests were added in version 11.5 if my memory is correct. With V17 or later you can use the SPSSINC MERGE TABLES extension command to merge the significance table into the main table if you install the programmability plugin. In Version 18, Ctables can display the significance results automatically in the main table, but the representation is different from the separate table form. It's APA style.
Version 18 Ctables can also do "post-computes", i.e., include functions of the cells as additional rows/columns in the table.
Ctables is pretty flexible, so it would be interesting to see what you can't do.
From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Pritchard
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [SPSSX-L] Crosstabs - SPSS versus Wincross or ??
Rodrigo,
You can check significant differences with the custom tables module - comparing means and percentages. I don't know when this feature was added. I know if wasn't there when I used SPSS while working for another company a few years ago, and I know it is there in my V16. You set it up in the Test Statistics tab of the Custom Tables dialog, or you can do it in syntax.
It isn't as flexible as what I see from Wincross, and doesn't produce compact output. I'm resigned to buying a copy of Wincross at this point, so hopefully I can find a used copy to keep the cost down. Don't know where to look though.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one seeing the problem.
Mike
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From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Guerrero, Rodrigo
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:16 PM
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Subject: Re: Crosstabs - SPSS versus Wincross or ??
Mike,
I also get frustrated with SPSS on this topic. The CTABLES comand seems to have some flexibility., but I have not found a way to flag significant differences in the table. Looking at diferent tables is a hassle. Maybe other know more than me.
Rodrigo
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Sent: Thu Oct 22 15:17:50 2009
Subject: Crosstabs - SPSS versus Wincross or ??
Hello list.
The discussion about R Commander prompts me to ask what people are using for stat tested crosstabs.
I'm probably a dinosaur, but I still find the banner tables from Wincross very helpful for quickly spotting differences between groups. Thanks to John Hall and other help from this list and other SPSS sources, I've been able to generate some useful tables from SPSS. But, even allowing for the fact that I'm still learning the tricks, it doesn't appear that I could generate anything from SPSS that is anywhere near as well formatted as Wincross, or that it could be done very efficiently.
I'm not currently using Wincross, so my perceptions are partly driven by what I used to get from a subcontractor. I'm wondering whether it is worth buying, but the cost is an issue. I looked at Ccount, but I'm nervous about investing much time because it doesn't seem to have much of a following, hasn't been updated for a while, and seems to have a steep learning curve.
Are there other tools out there that could generate a decent looking table efficiently and inexpensively? Are banner tables no longer valuable?
Thanks
Mike
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