Date:         Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:41:56 +0000
Reply-To:     kornbrot <d.e.kornbrot@herts.ac.uk>
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From:         kornbrot <d.e.kornbrot@herts.ac.uk>
Subject:      PASW/SPSS18 graphs worse than 16
In-Reply-To:  <4B04F293.7050606@gmail.com>
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IF you want good graphics do NOT move to SPSS/PASW18-
Especially if you are so eccentric as to want to fit a straight line to
points
Chart builder is the PITS
PASW have really fouled up the graph by menu
I want a simple x-y scatter plot graph with TWO groupings variables, i.e.
one by colour, the other by symbol.
OBVIOUSLY Iıd like to fit a best straight line
Meanwhile, of course, linearr regression STIL, STIL does not plot dpendent v
independent
I also have a 3rd grouping variable for panels, & the simple desire to sauy
that Iıd like the arrangement 3 wide by 4 deep
ALL of this is available in the wonderfully simple and usable legacy i-graph
in 16

IN 18.
1. the legacy i-graphs have been removed
chart builder YUK YUK YUK
1   can only specify 1 grouping variable ­ colour OR pattern not both
2   canıt fit a straight line
3   does not permit specification of panel arrangements
4   does not allow specification of number format
Once the graph is generated one can change the number format, colours &
background, fiddle with chart siz e to get apnels right & save as a template
­the  syntax is not saved to the syntax window

ITS appallingly frustrating
NO doubt produced by idiot graphics designers only interested in use less 3
d. Not at all interested in data.

I teach students that graphics is key to understanding data ­getting a
decent graph is pasw18 is so awful that I am contemplating defecting to
stata. If youıve got to do scripts...

I could put all this on their complaints web site ­ but prefer to
communicate with this excellent list. SPSS/PASW people on the list, please
note.

Unfortunately, I canıt regress to 16 as I am on MAC Snow Leopard
BUT I can abandon SPSS altogether

Sigh...............SPSS is a valued friend in many incarnations

Diana




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