Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:25:25 -0700
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From: Mary <mlhoward@AVALON.NET>
Subject: Re: Notes from SAS Global Forum
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OK, I actually got up the nerve to ask my SAS Administrator if I might have EG, and he installed it for me today! So I tried doing a straight proc print,
Here was my code:
data test;
infile cards missover;
input x;
cards;
001
002
003
;
run;
proc print data=test;
run;
and it did all this:
1 ;*';*";*/;quit;run;
2 OPTIONS PAGENO=MIN;
3 %LET _CLIENTTASKLABEL=%NRBQUOTE(Code);
4 %LET _EGTASKLABEL=%NRBQUOTE(Code);
5 %LET _CLIENTPROJECTNAME=%NRBQUOTE();
6 %LET _SASPROGRAMFILE=;
7
8 ODS _ALL_ CLOSE;
NOTE: Some of your options or statements may not be supported with the Activex or Java series
of devices. Graph defaults for these drivers may be different from other SAS/GRAPH
device drivers. For further information, please contact Technical Support.
9 OPTIONS DEV=ACTIVEX;
10 FILENAME EGHTML TEMP;
NOTE: Writing HTML(EGHTML) Body file: EGHTML
11 ODS HTML(ID=EGHTML) FILE=EGHTML ENCODING='utf-8' STYLE=EGDefault
11 ! STYLESHEET=(URL="file:///C:/Program%20Files/SAS/Shared%20Files/BIClientStyles/EGDefau
11 ! lt.css")
11 ! ATTRIBUTES=("CODEBASE"="http://www2.sas.com/codebase/graph/v91/sasgraph.exe")
11 ! NOGTITLE NOGFOOTNOTE GPATH=&sasworklocation;
12
13 %gaccessible;
14 data test;
15 infile cards missover;
16 input x;
17 cards;
NOTE: The data set WORK.TEST has 3 observations and 1 variables.
NOTE: DATA statement used (Total process time):
real time 0.09 seconds
cpu time 0.06 seconds
21 ;
22 run;
23
24 proc print data=test;
25 run;
NOTE: There were 3 observations read from the data set WORK.TEST.
NOTE: PROCEDURE PRINT used (Total process time):
real time 0.32 seconds
cpu time 0.07 seconds
26
27
28 %LET _CLIENTTASKLABEL=;
29 %LET _EGTASKLABEL=;
30 %LET _CLIENTPROJECTNAME=;
31 %LET _SASPROGRAMFILE=;
32
33 ;*';*";*/;quit;run;
2 The SAS System 15:16 Tuesday, April 27, 2010
34 ODS _ALL_ CLOSE;
35
36
37 QUIT; RUN;
38
Note that I did ***not*** ask EG to give me HTML. So this is one thing right away that a developer would not like- anyway this developer does not like it- I want exactly what was asked for, I **** don't ***** want EG to try to think up something else to give me!
So my first test made me feel a bit out of control in this environment, and I really didn't like that. Will try to see if one can turn this stuff off, but until SAS lets you turn it off, I want to keep my DM (which I still have).
-Mary
--- alan.churchill@SAVIAN.NET wrote:
From: Alan Churchill <alan.churchill@SAVIAN.NET>
To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: Notes from SAS Global Forum
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:23:52 -0600
Exactly what I what to see.
Developers to me are developers. Those who have no bugs cast the first
stone.
Alan
Alan Churchill
Savian
Work: 719-687-5954
Cell: 719-310-4870
From: toby dunn [mailto:tobydunn@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 9:05 PM
To: alan.churchill@savian.net; sas-l@listserv.uga.edu
Subject: RE: Notes from SAS Global Forum
Alan,
I see it as a positive thingy, Id frame it as what we users want in an
editor. That way we can compile a list of things and let SAS worry how to
implement it all. While I know EG would be bantered about it would in
essence try to tone down the hard feelings between the pro Eg'ers and the
Anti-EG'ers...
Toby Dunn
"Don't bail. The best gold is at the bottom of barrels of crap."
Randy Pausch
"Be prepared. Luck is where preparation meets opportunity."
Randy Pausch
> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:50:25 -0600
> From: alan.churchill@SAVIAN.NET
> Subject: Re: Notes from SAS Global Forum
> To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>
> Art,
>
> I am in 100% agreement. That provides a year to get ready and to nail down
> all of the issues.
>
> I would like to volunteer as a facilitator and I propose that it be in Joe
> Kelley's Systems area. Panel discussion on editors and SASWare ballot.
> Perhaps a double timeslot so we have 90 minutes to hit it?
>
> Also, I would suggest that it not be framed negatively vis-Ã -vis EG but a
> solid, positive statement on what we would like.
>
> Alan
>
> Alan Churchill
> Savian
> Work: 719-687-5954
> Cell: 719-310-4870
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arthur Tabachneck [mailto:art297@NETSCAPE.NET]
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2010 6:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Notes from SAS Global Forum
>
> Andre and Everyone (hopefully on both the dark and non-dark sides),
>
> I'm not sure where to begin with this post, so I'll simply state some of
my
> random thoughts, what I'm planning to do and what I'm asking everyone for.
>
> Many of us who attended this year's SGF came away with the opinion that
SAS
> was only going to devote much energy or resources toward imporving
> non-Enterprise Guide or similar GUI interfaces, particularly excluding the
> interface many of us use when we run SAS.
>
> Peter Flom is trying to put together a discussion for NESUG where a number
> of us might be able to try and understand how programmers and
> non-programmers (or possibly statisticians) can learn what would be needed
> to better understand each others views, requirements and idiosyncracies.
>
> In the 37 years that I've been using SAS I've NEVER submitted an idea for
> the SAS Ware Ballot. Why? It always appeared, to me, that the ballot was
> for those who had a much better understanding of the programming language
> than I would ever have.
>
> Putting 2 and 2 together what I think is needed is a focus/discussion
group
> at next year's SGF devoted specifically to the topic of "What does SAS
need
> to know regarding what those who don't especially like using EG want to
see
> in upcoming enhancements and why EG won't suffice." However, I don't want
> to post my suggestion to SASCommunity.org until I hear back from you.
>
> I' not thinking of a focus group in the usual sense of 10 to 20 people in
a
> room but, rather, a panel and audience comprised of both key players from
> all groups (including SAS developers, programmers, statisticians,
> non-primarily-EG SAS users and managers) to discuss each other's concerns,
> along with anyone who feels that they might be able to add anything else
> that might be important. By key players I'm considering almost anyone who
> has been in the top 40 SAS-L posters since 1987, however SAS-L posting
most
> definitely isn't a requirement.
>
> Would SAS listen and respond to our concerns? Personally, that isn't my
> goal. From a business perspective I'd think that they would, but my goal
is
> simply to understand all of our views and do something to increase the
> likelihood that the right people have a chance to hear what we all have to
> say.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> Art
>
> p.s. In this post I'm also trying out Jim Groeneveld's suggestion
regarding
> how to simultaneously post to both the listserv and usenet.
> Hopefully, it won't show endlessly long lines.
> -------------
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:59:57 +0200, Andre Wielki <wielki@INED.FR> wrote:
> >Reading this monday morning the contributions of the WE i confirm that
> >the list is since a long time splitted in two this discussion in on the
> >listserv side of SAS-L (as Art is namming it) and unknown on the
> >comp.sas side. nevertheless a contribution of xlr82sas has recently
> >take place 10 days ago and i forward it as he presents an opinion about
> >DM and EG
>
> Andre's full post showing the history of this thread can be found at:
> http://www.listserv.uga.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1004d
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