>-----Original Message----- >From: Mary [mailto:mlhoward@avalon.net] >Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:14 PM >To: Muenchen, Robert A (Bob) >Cc: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU >Subject: Re: Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata... > >Yes, indeed- did you count the number of treads on the SAS Forums site? >It seems like most of the EG questions are over there.

Hi Mary,

Good point. Given my time constraints, I focused on just the mail list of each package. SAS and R both have around 20 other forums or listservs, but there are only so many hours in the day. But if anyone can get me all that data, I'll plot it in short order! I did add a mention of the forums to the article earlier this morning.

> >It is easier to measure employment than to measure academic users, as >the amount of time users actually use a statistical package can vary >widely. A SAS user might be using SAS nearly 8 hours a day, perhaps >with a little R and Stata mixed in, whereas some of those SPSS users >might use it once a month or so (and thus the desire to have something >with a menu). So licenses aren't the same thing as looking at >employment, even University employment...maybe take a look at the open >positions at your University over the past 6 months to see what the job >descriptions said, or start following them for a while starting now. >Sometimes it is hard to find them too- a research assistant can be all >sorts of things at a University, one role of which is a statistical >programmer.

I was hoping to get at that by doing a content analysis of job openings for titles like "statistician", "statistical consultant", "data miner", who you would expect to be analyzing most of the day. Someone claimed that people now post false job descriptions in an attempt to get people to send personal information to the supposed employers. So now I'm trying to find a good source of job descriptions.

Cheers, Bob

> >-Mary > >--- muenchen@UTK.EDU wrote: > >From: "Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)" <muenchen@UTK.EDU> >To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU >Subject: Re: Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata... >Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 15:00:58 -0400 > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of >>Peter Flom >>Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 10:40 AM >>To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU >>Subject: Re: Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata... >> >>In my experience, a LOT of students in psychology and other social >>sciences still use SPSS. >> >>Peter > >Hi Peter, > >Here at UT, SPSS use dominates with 3,600 users, 800 for SAS, 120 for >Stata. R and JMP I don't have figures for. I think SPSS users much >prefer the point-and-click style of working and only a small percent of >them program. You don't have to ask someone how to do regression when >it's right there on the menu. If Enterprise Guide is catching on, this >could explain the drop in SAS-L threads. > >Cheers, >Bob > > >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of >>Mary >>Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 10:02 AM >>To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU >>Subject: Re: Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata... >> >>Yes, it would help to do job advertisements; especially using the >>Monster.com site to get at corporate use of packages; SAS tends to >>dominate in the industries that have many records to deal with since R >>cannot currently deal with many records (thus, Health Insurance, >>Education such as ACT and SAT, Financial Industry such as Stocks, and >>large Federal Government applications like the Census). >> >>SPSS tends to be more prevalant in its historical niche, Social >Science. >>Yes, it does have GUI interface today but I think it has to do more >with >>survey-oriented fields that have always used SPSS. >> >>R is becoming more prevalent, but now is more in academic environments >>like Research/Statistical jobs on college campuses. Picking those up >is >>a bit difficult since most universities primarily advertise on only >>their own web sites. >> >>But yes, looking at the job advertisements, is a good indication of >what >>is going on in the market with these products. >> >>I would think R would have more questions on a user group since it is >>newer and thus more people are learning it (either in school or in >>addition to what they already use), whereas most of these questions >have >>already been answered on SAS and SPSS sites, and thus people can just >>search the archives. >> >>-Mary >> >>--- muenchen@UTK.EDU wrote: >> >>From: "Muenchen, Robert A (Bob)" <muenchen@UTK.EDU> >>To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU >>Subject: Re: Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata... >>Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 09:05:17 -0400 >> >>Dear Francois, >> >>I'm glad you enjoyed it. I should have the results of at least one >>survey and a content analysis of job advertisements added in a month or >>two. >> >>Cheers, >>Bob >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of >>>Francois van der Walt >>>Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 2:56 AM >>>To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU >>>Subject: Re: Popularity of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata... >>> >>>Dear Bob, >>> >>>This was an amazing attempt to measure the "unmeasurable". I enjoyed >it >>>and >>>I am looking forward to the next bits. >>> >>>Kind regards >>>Francois >>> >>>On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 09:31:07 -0400, Muenchen, Robert A (Bob) >>><muenchen@UTK.EDU> wrote: >>> >>>>Hi All, >>>> >>>>I've been fiddling around with various ways to estimate the >popularity >>>>of R, SAS, SPSS, Stata, JMP, Minitab, Statistica, Systat, BMDP, >>S-PLUS, >>>>R-PLUS and Revolution R. It's not an easy task. You can see what I've >>>>come up with so far at http://r4stats.com/popularity . I'm sure >people >>>>will have plenty of ideas on how to improve this, so please let me >>know >>>>what you think. >>>> >>>>Cheers, >>>>Bob >>>> >>>>========================================================= >>>> Bob Muenchen (pronounced Min'-chen), Manager >>>> Research Computing Support >>>> Voice: (865) 974-5230 >>>> Email: muenchen@utk.edu >>>> Web: http://oit.utk.edu/research, >>>> News: http://oit.utk.edu/research/news.php >>>> Feedback: http://oit.utk.edu/feedback/ >>>>========================================================= >