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Date:         Wed, 3 Nov 2010 09:10:13 -0400
Reply-To:     Nat Wooding <nathani@VERIZON.NET>
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From:         Nat Wooding <nathani@VERIZON.NET>
Subject:      Re: SAS on mainframes
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Daniel

From my experience, if you had any paper tape, it would be so dried out and brittle by now that it would resemble the dead sea scrolls. Shortly after I started work in 1973, the company needed to install some water temperature monitors and purchased some that recorded hourly PHOTOGRAPHS, yes, photographs, of a thermometer. We were paying the vendor some $200 to read each film (16 mm movie film) and since they were changed monthly and we had about 20 devices, the cost was pretty steep. I had been putting together a means of using a HP digitizer and HP programmable calculator to read strip charts and we realized that we could literally set a microfilm reader on the digitizer, mount a track and simple sight in front of the reader's screen, and mechanically couple the sight to the digitizer's cursor. Output from the calculator went to an ASR 33 and we snail mailed the paper tape to the mainframe. For grins, I once fed the output into one of those typewriter-sized terminals that had rubber cups into which one stuck a telephone receiver and sent the output directly to the mainframe.

The vendor was not happy when we told them that we were reading our own films.

The rest of this is a short history of the use of punch cards for the newer generation. They should light a bunch of candles or incense or whatever every night in gratitude for never having had to deal with cards and tape.

As for punch cards, I never heard the "5081" used but rather learned to simply call them "IBM" cards. For those who have never seen one, they had 80 columns with 12 rows where rectangular holes could be punched. There were versions that were perforated so that the holes could be punched out manually (in the US, think of the infamous hanging chads in the voting forms) and other versions with small bubbles that could be filled in and read with a mark sense reader. The use of punch cards started in the late 1800's when the US Census needed to move from a manual counting system to something automated. At some time in 1900's one of IBM's competitors introduced a rival card with round holes and a different number of columns. I don't think that these lasted very long and I never saw such cards. One neat feature with cards was that institutions could have a logo printed on them and I saved a couple of these. NCSU had the university's bell tower on its cards, for example.

To use cards in running a job, you placed them in a reader which was the size of a chord organ or small piano. The cards were moved from a hopper through a reader to a stacker by small rollers that, over time, left their marks on the leading edge of the cards. And, after a while the cards would start to jam. The immediate fix was to smooth the edge of the damaged card with your fingers but eventually, you had to repunch it. I seem to recall that there were keypunch machines that would duplicate cards. By the way, there was such a need for people to enter data onto cards that a significant percentage of jobs were for keypunch operators.

Short jobs might fit on a stack of cards a couple inches thick and these could be carried in your hand and secured with a rubber band (or two, if you were smart). Longer jobs usually went in a box that had once held new cards. Often, the tops of the decks were marked with felt-tipped pens to help in sorting them when the deck was dropped. There was a provision for putting a number on each card but when you were writing a program, this was not very useful since the numbers could change several times a day.

There were sometimes situations with smaller computers in which the programmer would load his/her own cards but often you would have to go to a data center and leave your card deck. Someone there would load it and when the output finally appeared on a printer, it would eventually appear on a shelf for you to find. I once heard that at the University of Iowa, someone wanting special treatment would put a piece of hard candy under the rubber band.

If all of this sounds woefully inefficient in terms of programmer time, believe me it was. At NCSU, we had to walk about a hundred yards to reach the data center (after waiting for the one elevator in our six story building - I climbed a lot of stairs). When I first started work, we had to cross a street to reach the company's main building. You were often lucky to get in more than 4 or so runs a day if that many.

I think that I have droned on long enough but I hope that it has been interesting. For anyone who is interested in the history of machinery that used such cards, the following link tells how the US army kept track of personnel during WW2

http://pattonhq.com/ibm.html

and

http://www.alteich.com/tidbits/t042202.htm

gives lots of links to sites with more history than most would ever want to read.

Nat Wooding

-----Original Message----- From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Nordlund Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 2:16 AM To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: SAS on mainframes

> -----Original Message----- > From: SAS(r) Discussion [mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of John > Burton > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 6:56 PM > To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU > Subject: Re: SAS on mainframes > > Does anyone remember the 5081 card and the green plastic flow-charting > template? > > > > -- > "be seeing you", > Ray Burton > Richmond VA

Ray,

I have my green plastic flow-charting template (probably bought in 1968) in a desk drawer immediately to my left as I write this email. That probably tells you more about my home office than I should admit to. :-) However, unlike Alan CHurchill I do not still have any 5081 cards. Nor do I have any of the paper tape that I used for capturing experimental data, which was then loaded via a KSR 33 teletype into a Data General 1200 minicomputer for analysis. Ahh, those were the days.

Dan

Daniel Nordlund Bothell, WA USA


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