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Date:         Wed, 15 Dec 2010 13:12:00 -0800
Reply-To:     "Jack F. Hamilton" <jfh@STANFORDALUMNI.ORG>
Sender:       "SAS(r) Discussion" <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
From:         "Jack F. Hamilton" <jfh@STANFORDALUMNI.ORG>
Subject:      Re: SAS Global Forum Submission Status 100 e-mails notifications
Comments: To: toby dunn <tobydunn@HOTMAIL.COM>
In-Reply-To:  <BLU152-w52C77770B0925A3EC721B6DE140@phx.gbl>
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I completely agree. And not only is there not a section for papers for beginners, there's no section for general papers for intermediate or advanced programmers. Coders Corner is the only option, and it's too short for many topics.

My paper (on reading Twitter messages with SAS) was rejected because there were three other submissions on the same topic. I don't have a problem with that. I'll probably learn something from the two papers that were accepted, and I won't have to spend a week preparing the presentation.

I'll miss the presenters party, but since they stopped serving real food a few years ago, that's not a big loss. I also won't get the made-in-China souvenir. Maybe I'll volunteer to be a poster judge (much more work than presenting a paper) or session coordinator.

For me, though, the reason to go to SASGlof is not to present a paper, or to attend presentations, but to talk to the developers and other users, and to see some of the new/improver product demonstrations.

Maybe I'll try to do the paper at a regional this fall if time constraints permit it. PNWSUG is a very nice little conference, as is SESUG, and WUSS wouldn't involve much travel.

On Dec 15, 2010, at 9:00 , toby dunn wrote:

> Dianne, > > Unfortunantly I think it proves a theory I have been cooking up over here. That is, the system as a whole, is slowly breaking down for paper selection. I'm not saying that every section chair and co-chair is that way, mine this year at SGF has so far done a wonderful job of selecting papers and reading the abstracts. > > SAS has moved towards a solution based system and I believe that SGF has been forced to follow suite. Its a shame as the majority of the audience is begginer programmers. The SAS classes teach syntax but fail on the how to actually program and program well front. This is where I see the conferences stepping in and filling a needed knowledge gap. My experience has been there are plenty of poeple who have the subject matter knowledge but lack adequate SAS knowledge. Once one knows how to code well, it matters not what subject they dealing with so long as they are given clear specs, they can do the job. This new solutionbased crap is more or less making what SAS more of a glorified scripting language than anything else and limits its possibilities. > > Toby Dunn > > > "I'm a hell bent 100% Texan til I die" > > "Don't touch my Willie, I don't know you that well" > > > > >> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:45:18 -0500 >> From: diannerhodes@COMCAST.NET >> Subject: Re: SAS Global Forum Submission Status 100 e-mails notifications >> To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU >> >> On Tue, 14 Dec 2010 23:10:25 +0000, <goladin@GMAIL.COM> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Ron, >>> >>> Unfortunately, mine are all rejection letter emails. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Murphy >> >> Well you are in good company Murphy. I got 116 rejection letters for two >> submissions. Both papers have been given at NESUG and SESUG and rated >> as "excellent." The comments on the one on SDLC ("too theoretical") makes >> me think they did not even bother to read the paper, as it is all about the >> practical side of SDLC. >> >> Maybe I'll see you all in San Francisco. >> >> Dianne @

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