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Date:   Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:57:21 -0500
Reply-To:   Art@DrKendall.org
Sender:   "SPSSX(r) Discussion" <SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
From:   Art Kendall <Art@DrKendall.org>
Organization:   Social Research Consultants
Subject:   Re: What communalities and matrice to report ?
Comments:   To: "Swank, Paul R" <Paul.R.Swank@uth.tmc.edu>
In-Reply-To:   <017FB41275AE7A46988755E60E32F40105379ACA1F@UTHCMS3.uthouston.edu>
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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> <font size="+1">I seemed to recall that the OP had talked about working with summative scales, but was not sure.<br> I did not mean unconventional with the connotation that there was something wrong with it. </font><font size="+1">New to an audience is not the same thing as "wrong".&nbsp; </font><br> <font size="+1"><br> If one reporting in the context of scale construction there is nothing wrong with using newer forms of factor analysis. However, I would usually ask for some explication to an audience why the newer way was used. How is it different? Did it make a substantive difference to use it? Different communities are used to seeing different approaches. When one does something <b>novel-to-an-audience </b>I believe it is helpful to tie what you are doing to what that audience is familiar with.<br> <br> <br> In scale construction based on the multi-trait multi-method approach it is conventional to allow an item to be unit weighted on only one scale (zero in the others).&nbsp; This is in interest of divergent validity.&nbsp; Oblique rotation is not consistent with that particular use.&nbsp; Items that have split loading are usually not used in the scoring key derived from the factor analysis.&nbsp; There are uses of factor analysis other than getting&nbsp; distinct interpretable measures of constructs. <br> The goals and context of an analysis make a lot of difference in communicating to an audience.<br> <br> Perhaps my last question would have been clearer if I had asked if the OP found substantive differences in the scoring keys derived via ML vs&nbsp; PAF (aka PA2).<br> <br> Without an intense interest, I kind of keep an eye out for actual instances where it makes a substantive difference what kind of extraction was used.<br> Offhand I cannot recall, for instance, an actual application in scale construction where it made much difference whether one use the principal components or the principal axes type of extraction. YMMV.<br> <br> <br> Art Kendall<br> </font><br> On 2/19/2011 10:34 AM, Swank, Paul R wrote: <blockquote cite="mid:017FB41275AE7A46988755E60E32F40105379ACA1F@UTHCMS3.uthouston.edu" type="cite"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)"> <style><!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; color:black;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {mso-style-priority:99; color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} p {mso-style-priority:99; mso-margin-top-alt:auto; margin-right:0in; mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; margin-left:0in; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; color:black;} span.EmailStyle18 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D;} .MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-size:10.0pt;} @page WordSection1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} --></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Are you suggesting that maximum likelihood and oblique solutions are unconventional?<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Dr. Paul R. Swank, <o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Professor and Director of Research<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Children's Learning Institute<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">University of Texas Health Science Center-Houston<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: &quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p> <div> <div style="border-right: medium none; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) -moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: windowtext;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: &quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: windowtext;"> SPSSX(r) Discussion [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU">mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Art Kendall<br> <b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 19, 2011 6:31 AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU">SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: What communalities and matrice to report ?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt;">Just curious.&nbsp; What is the goal of your factor analysis?<br> <br> Are there specific reason to choose ML and Promax?<br> <br> Do you find that the results differ in substantive conclusions from conventional approaches?<br> <br> Art Kendall<br> Social Research Consultants<br> </span><br> On 2/17/2011 4:03 PM, Mbaye Fall Diallo wrote: <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Hi dear all,<br> 1. I am using factor analysis (ML extraction). I would like to know what communality to report : initial or extraction ? <br> 2. I used a Promax rotation. I would like to know what matrice to report : pattern matrix or structure matrix ?<br> <br> Thanks in advance for your help. I would appreciate if you can provide some references.<br> <br> Best,<br> <br> Mbaye.<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: windowtext;">===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU">LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU</a> (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div> </blockquote> </body> </html>

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