```Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:19:06 -0400 Reply-To: Arthur Kramer Sender: "SPSSX(r) Discussion" From: Arthur Kramer Subject: Re: Margin of error redux Comments: To: jmdpulido In-Reply-To: <1308217813784-4494317.post@n5.nabble.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I understand what you said and agree that it is better to report the margin of error for each question rather than for the survey, as a whole. But when reporting to most of the members of the upper administration of my institution, who do not have a statistical background and are accustomed to seeing the margin of error reported in newspapers, they want to know the margin of error of my survey. Giving them an explanation similar to the one you provided leaves them "unsatisfied" with the "statistical jargon." Arthur Kramer "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear." N. Whitfield B. Strong -----Original Message----- From: SPSSX(r) Discussion [mailto:SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf Of jmdpulido Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 5:50 AM To: SPSSX-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU Subject: Re: Margin of error redux Dear Arthur, The formula you are talking about 1,96*sqrt[(p*(1-p)/n] comes from the following: +- 1,96 is the point in an Standard Normal Distribution (0,1) that correspond to 95% probability. Thus, 1,96 implies you are approximating a binomial distribution by a normal distribution, which is right for large samples (you can check Anderson, Sweeney and Williams: Statistics for Business Administration and Economics for a prove of this result). sqrt[p*(1-p)/n] is the Standard Error of a point estimate of a proportion. The usual margin error reported in samples asume p=50%=(1-p) and N for the total sample. As you can easily check with an excel file sqrt[p*(1-p)/n] is a parabol, with a maximum at p=50%. Thus, the SE is maximum at p=50% for any given N. That's why in many samples they say that the reported margin of error is calculated under the hypothesis of maximum uncertainty. However, this is not always the case. On the first hand, some times the sample is not a pure random sample, so not all the individuals have the same probability of being sample. If this is the case, this formula will underestimate the "true" standard error of your estimation of the proportion. Secondly, sometimes not all the sample have a "valid" answer. So, your "n" is not the total sample size "N", but some smaller "n", not counting the "missing data". Because if you either delete the missing data or impute them by any method (e.g. regression), you do not have N independent observations, but an smaller one. E.g., if you want to calculate the percentage of women that are unemployed, your "n" is not the total number of people (men & women), but only the women with valid data for their labour status (which is an n much smaller than the total N). Thridly, there is the "finite population" correction that Art Kendall wisely talks to you about. Summing up, I prefer to calculate the margin of error for each question, rather than using the whole sample. This some times gives me a smaller confidence interval that the reported margin of error for the whole sample, and some times a bigger one. I also tend to prefer a 99% confidence interval, specially for large samples, as in large samples everything tends to be statistically significant. Don't hesitate to contact me if you have any more queries Jmdpulido@yahoo.es PhD student in Applied Economics. -- View this message in context: http://spssx-discussion.1045642.n5.nabble.com/Margin-of-error-redux-tp448469 4p4494317.html Sent from the SPSSX Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ===================== To manage your subscription to SPSSX-L, send a message to LISTSERV@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU (not to SPSSX-L), with no body text except the command. To leave the list, send the command SIGNOFF SPSSX-L For a list of commands to manage subscriptions, send the command INFO REFCARD ```

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