Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 09:33:01 -0700
Reply-To: "Jeff J. Voeller" <atrocity@MY-DEJANEWS.COM>
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From: "Jeff J. Voeller" <atrocity@MY-DEJANEWS.COM>
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Subject: Re: hashing, big formats,etc.
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On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:50:19 david pider wrote:
> I wonder if somebody else on the list is annoyed by certain academic
> types polluting the list with their homegrown "routines".
[saracasm mode on]
Yes, I'm completely disgusted with it. If I wanted creative solutions
to real-world programming problems, I'd read the alt.sex.* hierarchy. I
subscribed to SAS-L for the flaming and to watch people get upset at
each other for not all treating the same problems identically. I'm glad
to see that _you_ understand the true purpose of this list.
[sarcasm mode off]
> For instance, what is this 'hahsing' BS?? To code something like that
> one must've never worked in the industry. I've been programing for
> years and never even heard the term!
Or maybe they've simply worked in a different industry from you. I've
been coding SAS for over eight years now and I've never used any of the
obscure-to-me statistical procedures that get talked about here, but
that doesn't mean I arrogantly assume that they don't have real-world
value. The fact that you or I have never used/needed something hardly
suggests that it has no value.
Maybe these crazy-to-you suggestions have never come up because you have
either unlimited resources or relatively small datasets. Some of
us--and I've been in this position many times--have had situations where
the vanilla SAS solutions made perfect sense conceptually but failed due
to resources. Live with it.
> No sane manager will allow this kind of stuff in production. I'd fire
> anyone on the team who'd have the audacity to code a monstrosity like
> that and claim it works better than merge or sql.
Ah, so obviously you tested it and found that it _didn't_ work better.
I mean, I'm sure you're not just venting because someone solved a
problem that you didn't need to...or couldn't figure out how to.
> Or what about this 'big format' thing?
For the record, Karsten and I quite independently of each other have
recently found large formats to be a solution to real-world problems we
were experiencing. In my case, I needed to select tens of thousands of
rows from millions in a flat file. Creating a format that simply
converted policy number to "YES" and using that on my INPUT statement
was a major time and resource saver. I'd post the syntax here, but it
appears that it might upset you.
> If simple merge was used nobedy would have no problem in the first
Merging millions into tens of thousands and then discarding most of
those millions? No thanks. Not in an MVS shop with tight resources.
> BTW, I've noticed that those posting those extravagant "methods" are
> never on the money trying to answer a normal question about standard
> SAS coding. Anybody thinks it's a coincidence?
Perhaps mundane problems don't interest them, just as real-world ones
don't interest you. By the way, what solutions have you posted here
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