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Subject: RE: more on identification of 19th century mapset of Shanghai area.
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:20:13 -0000
From: Francis Herbet <[log in to unmask]>
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Brendan (and the other lists to which I do not subscribe, and to whom you
may wish to forward this response):
It does happen that a multi-sheet map set is envisaged but subsequently is
never finished (or some sheets remain in MS). Such is the case with
something uncannily similar to what you describe as held in NLA. An
identical set of 12 sheets numbered (at top right, above border) 22; 23; 26
- 28; 30 - 32; 34 - 36; and 39 ("which form a block covering Shanghai,
Suzhou and surrounds") are to be found in the following:-
[1] [Double-spread title leaf (same size as all the other leaves noted here,
including your map sheets)] Military plan | of the | country around Shanghai
|from surveys made in 1862. 63. 64. 65, | by |Lieut. Colonel Gordon C.B.,
Major Edwardes, Lieuts. Sanford, Lyster, & Maude Rl. Engrs. | Lieuts.
Danyell and Bateman H.M. 31st. Regt. Asst. Engrs. | [rule] | Scale of Miles
| [bar] 1 + 20 Miles [= 13 1/8"] | Explanatory Note | [rule] | (3 lines
text) | Zincographed at the Topographical Department of the War Office
Southampton | Colonel Sir Henry James R.E., F.R.S., &c. Director. | 1865.
[this date in smaller font size] | [rule]
[2] ['PLAN 1.'] Military plan | of the | country around Shanghai | [ditto,
as supra] | Scale- 5 Miles to an Inch |[bar] 5 + 25 Miles [= 6"] |
Explanatory Note. | [rule] | (4 lines text) | [rule] | Zincographed [ditto,
as supra] War Office, Southampton. [NB] | Colonel Sir Henry James R.E.,
F.R.S. [NB] &c. Director.| 1865. [this date now in similar font size to
foregoing title-leaf] |[thin + thick rules]
All this title (etc.) info is in top right quarter of sheet - the remainder
of which, showing sheet lines (and b&w skeleton details) of sheets 22, 23,
and 26 - 28 of the complete map, forms the northern of the 2-sheet index
map. 'PLAN 2.' (below) is the index map's southern sheet. NB: this northern
index sheet is 'squared' by - as you write - "1 degree of longitude and 30
minutes of latitude" in 3 rows: from left/W to right/E, row 1 is blank (top
left) with title (top right); central row 2 shows sheet lines for (here)
un-numbered [22], [23] & [24]; bottom row 3 shows sheet lines for
un-numbered [26] - [28]. Total co-ordinates coverage: N 31 30' - 33 / E 119
- 122 degrees.
[3] 'PLAN 2.' [top right, above border] is the southern of the 2-sheet index
map and shows sheet lines of (here) un-numbered [30] - [32], [34] - [36],
and [39] in similar 3 rows. Total co-ordinates coverage: N 30 - 31 30' / E
119 - 122 degrees.
[4] - [15] From evidence of above items ([2] & [3]) - the 2-sheet
index/title sheets - these leaves form the presumed complete 12-sheet map
set; each sheet is numbered at top right, above border. All are in typical
OS hand-coloured style as per, e.g., the large-scale town plans.
Your point on "The margins of the sheets all give the numbers of any
adjoining sheets, so we assume sheets 21, 25, 29 & 39 may also have
existed". The set I have seen notes these presumed sheets: outside the W
edges of sheets 22, 26, and 30 are marked '21', '25' and '29' respectively.
Outside the E and S edges of sheets 39 and 36 respectively is '40'.
Might I suggest, if they are visible, you inform of the watermarks? You
could be lucky and have dated ones, rather than just Whatman (etc.).
Access to the following carto-bibliography might prove useful (see its entry
'T.755' on p.200) -
Intelligence revealed : maps, plans and views at Horse Guardss and the War
office 1800-1880 / compiled by A. Crispin Jewitt. - London : The British
Library, 2011. - lviii,390p., 18p. of plates (chiefly col.) : maps, portr. ;
25 cm. - ISBN 978-0-7123-5843-9
The sole location of a complete exemplar (its inclusion, on its first leaf,
of a pasted-in printed 'LIST OF ENGAGEMENTS' from June 1860 to 28 August
1864 may be an 'extra') of what I have described above, is in TNA: FO
925/2397 (bound as an atlas).
I ignore (temporarily) the interpretation of "C. of I. / A.1 8 May 1905 M. /
Received"; but perhaps your provenance records will help?
Francis Herbert (retired Curator of Maps, Royal Geographical Society-IBG)
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Subject: more on identification of 19th century mapset of Shanghai area.
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Subject: [ANZMapS] more on identification of 19th century mapset of
Shanghai area.
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 02:30:36 +0000
From: Brendan Whyte <[log in to unmask]>
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More info:
Our sheet 32 look a lot like this 1862-3 map (identical detail, but this
sheet has cropped the information to the west, whereas our sheet 32, extends
the detail further west)
http://www.virtualshanghai.net/Asset/Preview/vcMap_ID-728_No-1.jpeg
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Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 02:23:20 +0000
Subject: [ANZMapS] identification of 19th century mapset of Shanghai area.
We have discovered an interesting 19th-century map series of the region
about Shanghai in our collection.
The series is in English (so is presumably British in origin) but has no
title/publisher/date information (perhaps there was a separate title sheet?)
The sheets cover 1degree of longitude and 30 minutes of latitude.
The scale bar gives me 10 miles = 6 3/16 inches, so 1:102,400 exactly (and
the only hits I get for that ratio are lots of medical journal
articles!)
We have sheets 22, 23- 26-28, 30-32 & 34-36 which form a block covering
Shanghai, Suzhou and surrounds. The margins of the sheets all give the
numbers of any adjoining sheets, so we assume sheeets 21, 25, 29 & 39 may
also have existed, although in some cases the detail on the sheets we hold
ends before the margin, so it's hard to know if these other sheets were ever
actually produced.
Detial is confined to river/canal courses, and traver ses along
roads/tracks, but no other 'interior' detail. No railways are shown, and the
sheet with Shanghai (#32) does not name the foreign settlements, but does
indicate town development outside the old city walls, hence an assumed date
of 1860s-1890s.
Our copies have small red oval ownership stamps, with 3 lines of text:
"C. of I. / A.1 8 May 1905 M. / Received"
Can anyone help identify this series/set: title, publisher, date?
And can anyone offer help as to who/what "C of I / A M" was? Committee of
Intelligence/India? Adjutant-Major?
Dr Brendan Whyte
Assistant Curator of Maps
National Library of Australia
Parkes Place
Parkes ACT 2600
AUSTRALIA
Ph: +61 2 6262 1192; Fax: +61 2 6262 1653
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