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>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 02:44:58 -0400
>From: Russell Guy <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Bibliography of British Hydrographic Maps
Kenton;
Try contacting U.K. Hydrographic Office, Admiralty Road, Taunton, Somerset
TA1 2DN. Fax 44-1823-323 753. Attn: Rachel Chidgey, Sales Office
At 02:19 PM 9/19/96 EDT, you wrote:
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>Hello,
>My name is Kenton Spading. I live in St. Paul, Minnesota, USA
>Phone, 612-290-5623, fax, 612-631-9084
>TIGHAR Research
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>I am looking for bibliographic information about British Hydrographic maps. I
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Russell Guy
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>Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 10:32:48 +0100
>From: [log in to unmask] (Andrew Cook)
>Subject: Re: Bibliography of British Hydrographic Maps
Kenton Spading
You have a British Admiralty Chart. The publisher
archive of these is at Hydrographic Data Centre
Archives, UK Hydrographic Office, Admiralty Way,
Taunton TA1 2DN. Telephone +44 182 333 7900; Fax +44
182 328 4077; no E-mail. They can tell you, from their
Old Copy Bundles register, how many editions have been
published since your time period.
You need to give them the chart number. This is the
bold printed number at the right side of the bottom
margin of the chart, and I guess it should be 2915 for
the chart you have described. It's the one item you
haven't recorded in your otherwise comprehensive notes.
Chart 2915 was published in 1864, and went into new
editions (new plates) in 1872, 1911 and 1914. Small
corrections (often manuscript, and noted in weekly
'Notices to Mariners') were made from then until the
date of printing of your chart, 1925, and beyond.
Often coverage limits of particular charts change, and
new charts with new numbers are issued, but 2915 has
since 1864 always represented Bay Bulls to Placentia.
The current edition is also 2915.
Books published on the history of the Admiralty
Hydrographic Office generally do not deal with the
charting of particular geographical areas as minutely
as you might wish. For the period of Richards' survey,
read A Day, The Admiralty Hydrographic Service
1795-1919, London, 1967. Do not forget that charts
were only one medium of information for navigators: see
also the text descriptions in Admiralty Pilots,
particularly The Newfoundland and Labrador Pilot, Vol
I, 5th ed 1917, and subsequent editions (the 6th
edition, of 1929, was a combined edition, two vols in
one).
But as soon as your questions become area-specific,
rather than simply about Admiralty publishing practice,
you should go to the country experts: National Archives
Map Collection in Ottawa, and Memorial University of
Newfoundland Map Collection at St Johns. Who knows,
provoked by me, they may even post replies themselves!
Andrew Cook
Dr A S Cook
Map Archivist
India Office Records
The British Library
197 Blackfriars Road E-mail: [log in to unmask]
London SE1 8NG Phone: +44 171 412 7828
United Kingdom Fax: +44 171 412 7858
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Date: 18/09/96 23:34
Poster: Kenton Spading <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Bibliography of British Hydrographic Maps
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Hello,
My name is Kenton Spading. I live in St. Paul, Minnesota, USA
Phone, 612-290-5623, fax, 612-631-9084
TIGHAR Research
I am looking for bibliographic information about British Hydrographic maps. I
am using a hydrographic map as part of a research project I am working on. I
am going to include the map as an enclosure. It is a key part of my research.
I want to include a section in my report that discusses the history of these
maps and some background information. My local map library at the University
of Minnesota was not able to supply me with this information and suggested that
I try this forum.
A description of the map I am working with is included below. My questions
are:
Is there a reference book that discusses these maps? Where can I get
background information about the British Hydrographic Maps series? The map I
have is dated 1925. How many editions of this map were published after this
date? Where can I view or obtain copies of later editions of these maps?
I have included some information about my research at the end of this message in
case you are interested in my project. Thank you for your help!
The map I have is labeled as follows:
[top center of the map]
North America
South East Coast of
Newfoundland
Bays Bulls to Placentia
Surveyed by Capt Orlebar, R.N.
Assisted by
Com Hancock, Messr Cary Clifton, Des Brisay & Hyndman, R.N.
[bottom center margin of the map]
London, Published by the Admiralty Oct 15th 1864 under the
Superintendence of Capt. G.H. Richards, R.N. Hydrographer
New Editions May 1872, 14th June 1911, 13th March 1914
Sold by J.D. Potter, Agent for the Admiralty Charts, 145 Minories
[lower left corner margin]
Small corrections VIII - 14 X - 15
at this point various dates with numbers are listed extending from 1919 to 1925
BACKGROUND INFORMATION:
I am doing research into folklore from the Avalon Pennisula in New Foundland,
Canada. The folklore revolves around stories involving an "airplane in the
pond". The plane could be any of a number of planes that were lost in the area
during the early attempts at trans-Atlantic air crossings (prior to early 1927).
In particular I am looking for a French plane called the White Bird. The White
Bird disappeared (May 9, 1927) in an attempt to make the first solo Atlantic
crossing. It is historically significant due to the fact that Charles
Linbergh's successful flight occurred only 10 days later. Mr. Lindbergh's
flight forever changed trans-Atlantic travel and signaled the beginning of the
end of the elegant ocean liners. Did the French make it to North America
first....... crashing in the process? The hydrographic maps are proving to be
crucial in my efforts at deciphering the folklore and old documents.
The alleged pond is in a very remote wildnerness area (most of the Avalon is
Wildnerness) south of St. John's. Sifting through the folklore has been
hampered by the fact that place names on the Avalon change frequently from one
addtion of a map to another. As a result it is impossible to use current maps
to resolve folklore dating from 50 years ago. I was able to locate some
British hydrographic maps in the New Foundland Provincial Archives and now need
some background information about them (see above).
Thank you
Kenton Spading
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