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Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:38:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: John H Hunter <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: GPO FUNDING FOR FY 2001, IMPACT OF PROPOSD CUTS <fwd>
Sender: John H Hunter <[log in to unmask]>
Right ON!!!
John
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On Tue, 16 May 2000, Johnnie Sutherland wrote:
> --- Begin Forwarded Message ---
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:48:13 -0400
> From: ahudson <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re[2]: Fwd: GPO FUNDING FOR FY 2001, IMPACT OF PROPOSD CUTS
> Sender: ahudson <[log in to unmask]>
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>
> Go, Russell!!
>
> As a useless, stale, out of date and regressive map librarian mired in
> useless, stale, out of date and regressive paper maps, I much
> appreciated your support.
>
> As a taxpayer, I certainly did also.
>
> Alice Hudson
> Chief, Map Division
> The New York Public Library
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
> Subject: Re: Fwd: GPO FUNDING FOR FY 2001, IMPACT OF PROPOSD CUTS <fw
> Author: Johnnie Sutherland <[log in to unmask]> at Internet
> Date: 05/16/2000 12:31 PM
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:03:01 -0400
> From: Omni Resources <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: GPO FUNDING FOR FY 2001, IMPACT OF PROPOSD CUTS <fwd>
> Sender: Omni Resources <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
>
> Hi;
>
> My own two cents worth. I think that there are a few areas/reasons where
> you (MapQuest) are unique compared to a depository/university library.
>
> 1) You do not serve the public - you serve the corporate needs of MapQuest.
> Or even if you do allow public walk-ins (I don't know if you do or not) I
> would assume you do not have the volume of public walk-ins that say the NY
> Public Library has. By serving the corporate needs rather than the MUCH
> broader public needs, you do not need the broad spectrum of maps and gov't
> documents that a public library does.
>
> 2) Do you hold total 1:24,000 coverage of the USA; some 60,000 topo maps?
> I would assume that you might. Do you hold the additional 33,000 or so
> maps the USGS produces? I would assume that you might not. Current
> replacement cost on the USGS topo "collection" is probably pushing
> $0.5million; $250,000 for the 1:24,000 series (60,000 sheets at $4/sheet)
> plus roughly $230,000 for the 1:50,000/1:100,000/1:250,000/special sheets,
> geology sheets, etc. (33,000 sheets @ $7/sheet). That price is far outside
> the budget of any public library.
>
> 3) You are probably not interested in the historical aspect of, for
> instance, the 1:24,000 topo series. Do you keep the superceded copies of
> topos? These maps get extensive usage in looking at environment issues,
> cultural issues, land use, etc. and in some cases are a significant
> percentage of the total use of maps in a library. Cost of either obtaining
> these maps after-the-fact and/or maintaining/storing them is another huge
> expenses.
>
> 4) Your financial resources are probably much greater than many, if not
> most, public libraries. Admittedly this guess is based solely on
> MapQuest's recent public stock offering and the recent purchase by AOL. If
> you have a corporate need for a certain set of maps, you will probably have
> the funds to get it. Some map libraries at recognized universities have an
> annual discretionary budget of less than $2000.
>
> 5) Have you ever borrowed a map from a public library? Gone to one to view
> a map that you couldn't purchase within your time frame?
>
> 6) My comments above have been limited only to maps. If you throw in the
> hundreds of thousands of pages of other GoDocs reports that the public find
> useful - mineral reports; environmental reports, studies, and impact
> statements; gov't studies of one sort or another, etc. the cost of
> obtaining these becomes another significant expense.
>
> 7) The total cost savings of the proposed cuts is something like $30m/year.
> Somehow I suspect that the bulk of that savings would get eaten up by
> increased costs of development of user-friendly access software, production
> of the products, dissemination, and storage.
>
> As to the other issues, I think that we are clearly "going digital" whether
> we like it or not. As with many others, I have no faith though, born from
> experience, that the gov't can accurately produce, maintain, archive, and
> allow access to, digital files/collections. Anyone who has messed with the
> various generations of DRGs from the USGS knows what a mess those were -
> non-working, one generation not compatible with the next generation, etc.
> How often have you tried to go to a gov't site to find it shut down for one
> reason or another - virus, hacker attack, "maintenance", inadequate access
> pipelines, etc?
> I think that we are still several years away, at best, from being ready to
> handle, at both the "source" and the "end user," the switch to digital that
> the current proposed budget cuts will require.
>
> There is the very real issue that 2/3 of American households do not have
> computers at home. If you are in a poor region you may not have free
> access to the web at your public library or at your school either, leaving
> your nearest depository library as your nearest source of those public
> documents. Most people, and most public libraries do not have large-size
> digital plotters that can plot out a usable copy of a topo map.
>
> Yes, paper maps are subject to flood, fire, etc., as the experience in Ft.
> Collins a few years ago showed. What also showed was how many maps they
> were able to recover from other libraries that had extra copies. If all
> the USGS topos were digital and the "Love Bug" got into the files - what then?
>
> Finally, showing my age here, when I'm out in a pouring rain in the
> backwoods of Montana, I don't want my tiny little palmpilot, I want my
> waterproof topo map - makes a great hat, toilet paper etc.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Russell Guy
>
> At 12:14 PM 5/15/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >--- Begin Forwarded Message ---
> >Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:29:06 +0500
> >From: Quinn Koller <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re: Fwd: GPO FUNDING FOR FY 2001, IMPACT OF PROPOSD CUTS <fwd>
> >Sender: Quinn Koller <[log in to unmask]>
> >
> >
> >
> >I can't resist putting in my 2 cents and playing devil's advocate. With
> >the government's push to become more digital in its dissemination of
>
> >information, it seems to me that depository libraries become somewhat
> >irrelevant and unnecessary. As the director of a map library who has
> >built its collection without the benefit of depository status, I guess I
> >just don't see what the big deal is.
> >
> >~ Quinn
> >--
> >___________________________________________________________
> >Quinn R. Koller [log in to unmask]
> >Manager (717) 285-8477 >Library
> & Information Services fax (717) 285-8600 >MapQuest.com
> Inc.
> >P.O. Box 601
> >Mountville, PA 17554-0601
> >
> >http://www.mapquest.com
> >The Ultimate Destination for Directions
> >___________________________________________________________
> >The opinions expressed are my own and do not represent the
> >opinions or policies of MapQuest.com Inc.
> >
> >Johnnie Sutherland wrote:
> >>
> >> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:59:20 -0700
> >> From: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Subject: Re: Fwd: GPO FUNDING FOR FY 2001, IMPACT OF PROPOSD CUTS <fwd>
> >> Sender: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Aim=E9e_Quinn?= <[log in to unmask]>
> >>
> >> Actually, this bill is death to depositories (okay, so I am a bit
> >> melodramatic too). However the outlook for the Hose vote appears grim.
> >> We, meaning folks who are really interested in preserving the spirit of
> >> the depository laws, really need to have our users as well as our
> >> colleagues write,fax, or phone their Congressional delegation to let
> >> them know what they think. For more points regarding this situation,
> >> please refer to the GODORT web page
> >> http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/GODORT/2001appro.html for further details,
> >> examples of letters written and talking points.
> >>
> >> Thanks for reading my two cents!
> >>
> >> Aimee Quinn
> >> University of Nevada Las Vegas
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Date: Friday, May 12, 2000 9:11 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Fwd: GPO FUNDING FOR FY 2001, IMPACT OF PROPOSD CUTS <fwd>
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> >> >Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 15:32:49 -0600 (MDT)
> >> >From: Thiry <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >Subject: Re: Fwd: GPO FUNDING FOR FY 2001, IMPACT OF PROPOSD CUTS <fwd>
> >> >Sender: Thiry <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >My 2 cents.
> >> >
> >> >If this passes, what is use in being a depository library? What will
> >> be
> >> >deposited?
> >> >
> >> >Also, since we are required BY LAW to provide access to US Government
> >> >information to people living in
> >> >our Congressional District, I am wondering were my Library is going to
> >> >come up with all the extra money for new computers, bigger monitors (so
> >> >you can look at maps), and maintenance of the computers?
> >> >
> >> >Basically, for those of us with much of a budget, this bill spells
> >> death
> >> >for our collections. (Okay, I know I am being overly dramatic, but
> >> >please. Destroying the Depository Program so we all can get $200 tax
> >> >break doesn't make sense.)
> >> >
> >> >--Christopher JJ Thiry
> >> >Map Librarian
> >> >Colorado School of Mines
> >> >1400 Illinois
> >> >PO Box 4029
> >> >Golden, CO 80401-0029
> >> >
> >> >voice: 303-273-3697
> >> >fax: 303-273-3199
> >> >
> >> >[log in to unmask]
> >> >http://www.mines.edu/library/maproom/
> >> >http://www.mines.edu/fs_home/cthiry/
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