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Subject: Re: Upside down maps]
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:09:18 -0600
From: Catherine Hodge <[log in to unmask]>
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Ah ha! Perhaps we should be talking in terms of the earth's recto and
verso? ;c)
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Johnnie D. Sutherland wrote:
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> Subject: RE: Upside down maps
> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:49:26 -0700
> From: Frank Stieber <[log in to unmask]>
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> What's all this upside-down talk? Is this the same FLAT earth that we
> are all talking about?
>
> Frank L. Stieber
> ASU-Map Collection
> Tempe, AZ
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> From: Maps and Air Photo Systems Forum
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Johnnie D. Sutherland
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 1:22 PM
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> Subject: Re: Upside down maps
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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: Upside down maps]]]
> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 13:38:23 -0600
> From: Angie Cope <[log in to unmask]>
> Organization: American Geographical Society Library
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> I completely agree that there is no "right side up" to the Earth. The
> whole idea behind putting the words "upside-down" or "turn around" in
> the title of a map is to invite the viewer to consider the map's
> alternate perspective. That is what I'd like to get at by standardizing
> language via a subject heading or note. It seems the consensus is to
> include the note "Map oriented with north to the bottom."
>
> But, you see don't you, that by relying on this version we're continuing
> to feed into the north-centric, this-way-up mind set. Why don't we say
> "this is a south-oriented map" or "east-oriented map" or whatever. But,
> we have to be careful how many different terms we use because if one
> cataloger says, "Map oriented with south to the top" and another
> cataloger says, "Map oriented with north to the bottom," how the heck
> will our reference librarians find the item in the catalog. (I realize
> that many map catalogers are also the map reference librarians, but
> still).
>
> Honestly, I'm not trying to start a riot, but I believe that because
> some of these maps are produced to be unique in this way, we should give
> them credit for such. I understand and appreciate the concept behind
> why other maps are oriented according to the maps purpose (toward a
> peak, or direction of travel), but I think the orientation of an
> upside-down map is a primary focus of the item. No?
>
> I happen to like subject headings because once they're set, they're set
> (mostly) - but I'm still open to using some kind of note. I'm just
> wondering if there is a good set of words to describe this "invitation
> to consider an unique and alternative perspective of the Earth."
>
> Angie
>
> P.S. Thanks all for your input.
>
> Johnnie D. Sutherland wrote:
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>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Upside down maps]]
>> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:17:28 EST
>> From: [log in to unmask]
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>> I thought Paige Andrew's suggestion noting 'orientation' was a logical
>> descriptor for maps that are not North-up. Many historical maps are
>> 'direction of
>> travel' oriented, with or without a compass rose to clarify.
>>
>> I'd like to see more cartographers design modern maps that allow the
>> reader
>> to understand a region in a different light by drawing maps in
>> non-north-up
>> direction. I've done a few book maps that way of Hudson Bay and the
>> Chesapeake
>> Bay. Invariably they come under attack by editors because they are
>> different,
>> but if it illustrates a concept well, I feel it is justified.
>>
>> I have done a few modern maps in a non-north-up design, usually to
>> orient
>> with a geographical feature like a peak, valley or river.
>>
>> I agree the 'upside-down' term implies a mistake, or oddity, when
>> really we
>> are a bit trapped by a convention that should be challenged when
>> possible.
>>
>> Mike Hermann
>> www.purplelizard.com
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Catherine Hodge-Bodart
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