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Subject: RE: Canadian map publishers
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 09:52:38 -0400
From: Grabach, Kenneth A. Mr. <[log in to unmask]>
To: Maps, Air Photo, GIS Forum - Map Librarianship
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To all, including responders to me directly.
Lori Sugden's message, quoting a synopsis from Jack Joyce puts the
situation very nicely, I think. I had refrained from sending a summary
because the information I received describes some unpleasant business in
Canadian road map publishing. I had Mr Joyce of ITMB Publishing, in the
Vancouver, B.C. area, recommended to me. I got in touch with him and
received two very fine messages. Again, the quoted passage below
succinctly describes the situation.
I want to thank Jack Joyce here for the gracious attention he paid to my
query and follow-up questions. I also want to thank Russell Guy of Omni
Maps, Burlington, N.C., for initial information and for directing me to
Jack. I received information from David Jones of University of Alberta,
and from Roger Wheate at University of Northern British Columbia.
These descriptions vary somewhat in terms of ownership and succession,
which suggests a more tangled web than initially appears. As Mr Joyce
is a fellow player in the world of Canadian commercial map publishers, I
will defer to his inside knowledge. MapArt had been a major publisher,
of city maps, and especially of city atlas books. Peter Heiler, Ltd was
a distributor of these. In Québec, JDMGéo was distributor, and
especially distributed the maps of Québec and its cities, marketing them
under their own name. Now Peter Heiler, which took over Rand McNally
Canada, is operating as Canadian Cartographics Corporation. They seem
to be gradually supplanting the MapArt and JDMGéo maps under the new
name. Again, as I mentioned in my initial query, the same ISBN numbers
appear to be retained for these maps. To add to the confusion, MapArt,
Peter Heiler, and CCC all had or continue operations in various suburban
communities of Toronto, Ontario.
I know that MapArt products are still being sold by various vendors, but
of course will not be replaced as supplies are depleted. Canadian
Cartographics maps, under that name, are beginning to appear, beginning,
it seems, with major cities. These are probably the ones that sell in
largest numbers (e.g. Halifax, Toronto, Ottawa, Winnipeg).
I hope this helps if others of you have had similar questions.
P.S.
Allow me to make a plug for the map vendors and distributors, which I
still depend upon for a variety of maps. I still buy some printed maps
of countries and regions of the world. They make excellent reference
maps of a medium scale, that students and others here like to use for
various projects in Geography and other courses. City maps of various
areas of the world are prized by Architecture students and others for
their projects. Map Link in Santa Monica, California, World of Maps in
Ottawa, Ontario, Mexico Maps, also of Santa Monica, and of course Omni
Maps, in North Carolina, are vendors I have come to rely upon for
various materials. Maps Gone Tomorrow, in Austin, Texas, has sometimes
provided maps of Latin America.
Electronic maps in various formats are playing a greater role, but
printed maps are still needed for many uses.
Ken Grabach <[log in to unmask]>
Maps Librarian Phone: 513-529-1726
Miami University Libraries
Oxford, Ohio 45056 USA
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Subject: Re: Canadian map publishers
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Subject: RE: Canadian map publishers
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 16:28:23 -0700
From: Lori Sugden <[log in to unmask]>
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CC: Jack Joyce <[log in to unmask]>
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Hi Ken,
Bless Jack Joyce's (ITMB) heart-- he had a note in his Axis newsletter
back in April about this.
"... Mapart Publishing in Canada discontinued folded paper maps sometime
within the last couple of months. This came to my attention from a
customer who wanted a particular title that I didn’t have in my retail
store. I advised him to contact Mapart directly, via their website. He
did, and reported back that all the paper maps except street atlases had
been removed from the site. Mapart was the dominant player in the map
trade in Canada. Rand McNally sold their Canadian subsidiary to a
principal player in Mapart’s marketing arm a couple of years ago, and
the new firm has consolidated publishing and marketing under the name
Canadian Cartographics. As inventory depleted, the Mapart artwork was
retired and replaced by CCC-modified Rand McNally Canada artwork; thus,
the Mapart line shrank in size steadily. Mapart book atlases continue to
be updated and marketed, and Mapart sales reps continue to market CCC
maps, as well as the former Rand products."
--Lori
Lori Sugden, Map Library, UVic
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http://library.uvic.ca/site/dept/map
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Subject: Canadian map publishers
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Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:19:23 AM
Subject: Canadian map publishers
I have acquired some recently published city maps for some Canadian
cities.� I am noticing an interesting thing here, not sure if it
matters or what the answer is.� Several are from a publisher I have
purchased from before, MapArt Publishing, in Oshawa, Ontario.� The ISBN
prefix is 1-55368.� A publisher of Québec cities is JDMGéo, Ville
St-Laurent, Québec, which uses the same prefix and shows www.mapart.com
as web address.� That is simple enough, it is a Québec-based affiliate
or distributor for the Francophone region. � But here is the real
conundrum.� Some major cities, in recent editions, are published y
Canadian Cartographics Corp., Markham, Ontario, web address
cccmaps.com.� These have the same ISBN prefix, 1-55368.� Searching an
individual ISBN in OCLC yields earlier MapArt editions of the same city,
and this publisher does not appear in corporate name searches.
�
If anyone has information to share, it might be useful here.� Are these
the same entity under different names, locations, and web addresses?�
Does it reflect a transfer of rights, or cartography by one entity and
distribution by another?
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Ken Grabach� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �
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Maps Librarian� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � Phone:
513-529-1726
Miami University Libraries
Oxford, Ohio� 45056� USA
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