-------- Original Message --------
Subject:        Re: Image fee for mobile apps
Date:   Tue, 20 Mar 2012 15:45:03 -0700 (PDT)
From:   Julie Sweetkind-Singer <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:       Julie Sweetkind-Singer <[log in to unmask]>
To:     Air Photo Maps, GIS Forum - Map Librarianship <[log in to unmask]>



Hi, all,

Here's my 2 cents. If the maps are in the public domain, I would charge
only to get them the files they need - an amount that makes sense with
what you'd normally charge for your institution using imagery. Then, I'd
let them run with it. Do you really want to guess on the usage or try to
account for it afterward? Think of the nightmare of having them send you
a report each quarter or year showing you usage and paying accordingly.
First, I don't think they'd be inclined to do it. Second, you'd have to
deal with the accounting.

As it is out of copyright, I would strongly suggest that you let them
use the materials in any way they see fit. This is what I'm advocating
to the directors here at Stanford. I feel it is my obligation as a
librarian to fight for free use of public domain materials whenever
possible. Nothing gets me on a soap box more than librarians, in effect,
taking items out of the public domain simply because they've scanned
them and then charging unreasonable amounts for use or by not sharing
the files forcing others to scan the same materials. Charge a reasonable
amount for your time to get them the images (or for the media on which
it is delivered) and then ask for some kind of attribution and a share
alike Creative Commons license. We want people using our things! The
more we charge, the harder we make it, the more people will look
elsewhere and turn away from using libraries as a source of materials.

Julie

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Julie Sweetkind-Singer
Assistant Director of Geospatial, Cartographic and Scientific Data &
Services
Head Librarian, Branner Earth Sciences Library & Map Collections
Stanford University
397 Panama Mall; MC 2211
Stanford, CA 94305
(650)725-1102

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*From: *"Angie Cope, American Geographical Society Library, UW
Milwaukee" <[log in to unmask]>
*To: *[log in to unmask]
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 20, 2012 2:02:58 PM
*Subject: *Re: Image fee for mobile apps

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Image fee for mobile apps
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 13:45:15 -0700
From: Jeffrey Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
To: Maps, Air Photo, GIS Forum - Map Librarianship <[log in to unmask]>


That makes total sense. I didnt realize you normally charged based on
how many times it was going to be reproduced since its out of
copyright already. I just assumed it was cost-recovery for providing
it to the user on some kind of media.

The problem here is that the app developer has no idea how many copies
of the app he will sell before he publishes it, and it would be very
difficult for you to collect $ from him when he does know (after its
been on the market a while), and difficult for you to find out if he
is not giving you an accurate picture of how many sales.

If you are actually interested in charging based on use, I think the
comment about uploading it to some place where you can meter the usage
is valid ... except that since its out of copyright, I dont think you
have any way of stopping the app developer from just copying it from a
place like this and serving it up themselves (nor a legal right
either).

Kind of a tough situation I think. As someone who would be more likely
to ask to use the map in an app, I would prefer to just be charged
realistic cost-recovery up front and be done with it. Doesnt seem
right to be charged based on usage when its out of copyright.

/$0.02

Jeff

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Angie Cope, American Geographical
Society Library, UW Milwaukee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
  > -------- Original Message --------
  > Subject: Re: Image fee for mobile apps
  > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 15:00:37 -0500
  > From: Angie Cope, American Geographical Society Library, UW Milwaukee
  > <[log in to unmask]>
  > Organization: American Geographical Society Library
  > To: Maps-L <[log in to unmask]>
  >
  > Fees for publication are often determined by print runs. With an app,
  > there are so many unknowns.
  >
  > Thanks everyone for your thoughts.
  >
  >
  > Angie
  >
  > -------- Original Message --------
  > Subject: Re: Image fee for mobile apps
  > Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 12:29:48 -0700
  > From: Jeffrey Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
  > To: Maps, Air Photo, GIS Forum - Map Librarianship
<[log in to unmask]>
  >
  >
  > If they are capable of taking the tiff file and making it available in
  > their app on their own, then it seems reasonable that you charge them
  > like you would charge anyone else you give that same tiff to.
  >
  > If they need help in getting it served into the app, they are barking
  > up the wrong tree asking you for help with that I think.
  >
  > Jeff
  >
  > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 6:11 AM, Angie Cope, American Geographical
  > Society Library, UW Milwaukee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
  >>
  >> -------- Original Message --------
  >> Subject: Re: Image fee for mobile apps
  >> Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 08:05:31 -0500
  >> From: Angie Cope, American Geographical Society Library, UW Milwaukee
  >> <[log in to unmask]>
  >> Organization: American Geographical Society Library
  >> To: Maps-L <[log in to unmask]>
  >>
  >> The maps are from the 1860s and not copyright protected. We would
  >> provide high res. tiff images for the user who is creating a mobile
  >> application for ... IPhones, etc.
  >>
  >> We charge a usage fee when customers use our materials for publication.
  >> We've never had anyone request and image for publication or use in a
  >> mobile app. - normally it's use in movies, television, books, atlases,
  >> etc. - the normal type stuff.
  >>
  >> I'm just wondering if anyone has had experience with this new
technology
  >> and if you treat it similar to other usage requests or if there is some
  >> advice for us.
  >>
  >> Thanks again for your attention and help.
  >>
  >> Angie
  >>
  >>
  >> -------- Original Message --------
  >> Subject: Re: Image fee for mobile apps
  >> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:25:23 -0700
  >> From: Jeffrey Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
  >> To: Maps, Air Photo, GIS Forum - Map Librarianship
  >> <[log in to unmask]>
  >>
  >>
  >> I primarily just lurk on this list, but this one caught my attention.
  >>
  >> Angie, How are you delivering the maps to them? Are they taking on the
  >> responsibility to stand these maps up on a server and host them
  >> themselves? How would they be charged normally?
  >>
  >> I ask because I deal alot with maps in Mobile Apps and am just curious.
  >>
  >> Jeff
  >>
  >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Angie Cope, American Geographical
  >> Society Library, UW Milwaukee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Hello,
  >>>
  >>> We have a request to use a map (22 sheets) for a mobile app. Does
anyone
  >>> have any experience with this and how to charge? We've found
information
  >>> that indicates you charge by "hits" and others that have time limits
  >>> (ie. 2 years).
  >>>
  >>> Thank for your help.
  >>>
  >>> -Angie
  >>>
  >>> Angie Cope
  >>> American Geographical Society Library
  >>> UW Milwaukee Libraries
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