-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: MARC 752 Added Entry–Hierarchical Place Name Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:49:12 -0400 From: [log in to unmask] To: [log in to unmask] I have just begun to use the 752, for the place of publication of early maps. But we don't yet have an official policy on its use here at NYPL, though you can find lots of records in our catalog that use it. So far, I am/we are using $2 naf, the NACO authority file. If I understand correctly, that (use of NACO) just tells what form of the place name is used, e.g. Amsterdam, rather than Amstelodami or Amstelodamum as it might appear on old maps, but it doesn't tell the whole story about what parts of the hierarchy are specified. So for example, I was guided to use Netherlands $b North Holland $d Amsterdam, I think because $b (first-order political jurisdiction) is required if applicable, even though the NACO record shows that indirect use of Amsterdam in a 650 field would be $z Netherlands $z Amsterdam. Another issue to deal with is whether or how your ILS will index the field. So far, ours is indexed as a subject, but part of the point of having it as a separate field for place of publication as distinct from geographical subject is to be able to get access to early materials, in our case maps, that were published in a certain place. For all those folks who just do keyword searching anyhow, this will just add to the hits they get when they search with place names. But for a more refined search, to search for early maps published in the Netherlands, it would be great to search Netherlands as a place of publication separately from Netherlands as a subject. About whether this will someday replace LCSH, do you mean will use of the Getty or other thesauruses of place names someday replace the Library of Congress authorized forms of place names in catalog records? Or do you mean will the use of the hierarchical approach to place names replace the approach that we have used in 651 geographical subjects, with direct access by the most specific place name? I have wondered about the relative merits of using Getty versus LC forms and wonder in what situations or what kinds of collections catalogers would use Getty. About the latter question of direct versus hierarchical approach, I have also wondered about why LC introduced the use of the hierarchical approach to geographical subjects for access to maps in their American Memory digital collections (when they started adding 752s as geographical subjects to records for maps that were digitized), or rather why they hadn't used it before in traditional map records. It seemed to me it would have been useful all along, for example when someone is looking for a map of some little town in upstate New York, to be able to see at the same time what maps of the higher level in the hierarchy are available (like the county) covering that same area would be helpful. So when that MARBI paper, cited by Peter below, introduced the 662 field to separate the geographic subject use out of the 752, I was kind of hoping that its use would take hold for an additional geographical subject approach to maps. But it really depends on having good separate indexing. Sorry if I've done some incomprehensible rambling and digressed from your questions, but these are related questions that have been on my mind. Nancy A. Kandoian Map Cataloger The Lionel Pincus and Princess Firyal Map Division Stephen A. Schwarzman Building The New York Public Library 5th Ave. & 42nd St. New York, NY 10018-2788 [log in to unmask] phone 212-930-0586, fax 212-930-0027 Re: MARC 752 Added Entry–Hierarchical Place Name Maps-L Moderator to: MAPS-L 06/18/2009 11:19 AM Sent by: "Maps, Air Photo & Geospatial Systems Forum" <[log in to unmask]> Please respond to maps-l -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: MARC 752 Added Entry–Hierarchical Place Name Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:56:45 -0600 From: Peter Peller <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] References: <[log in to unmask]> Hi Angie, According to the following page, http://www.loc.gov/marc/marbi/2005/2005-04R.html, "tgn" stands for the Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names: 2.3. Usage of multiple vocabularies/thesauri. There are a number of hierarchical geographic vocabularies/thesauri that some users might use, depending on the type/level of information desired in the record. Some examples of other vocabularies/thesauri include: the Getty Thesaurus of Geographic Names (TGN) <http://www.getty.edu/research/conducting_research/vocabularies/tgn>; the Geographic Names Information System (GNIS) <%20http://geonames.usgs.gov/domestic/> from the United States Geological Survey; the Canadian Geographical Names Data Base (CGNDB)/ La Base de données toponymiques du Canada (BDTC) <http://geonames.nrcan.gc.ca/>; and the Peakbagger.com Mountain Range Classification System (PEMRACS) <.http://peakbagger.com/rangindx.aspx>. Peter Maps-L Moderator wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'd like to get opinions on use of the 752 field in the catalog record. > How many people are using this, what do you feel are the advantages? > Finally ... do you think it will someday replace LCSH? > > You can read more about it here: > http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/7xx/752.shtm > > With the example below, what does the tgn stand for? I assume the > 'authorities' for these entries are gazetteers and the like - can anyone > confirm that? I was looking around on the web site relating to source of > code and I wasn't really getting it ... > > Here is the example: > > The name of a smaller unit within a populated place, e.g. neighborhoods, > parks, or streets. > City subsection: 752 United States ‡b California ‡c Los Angeles (County) > ‡d Los Angeles ‡f Little Tokyo. ‡2 tgn > > Thanks in advance. > > -Angie > > Angie Cope, Senior Academic Librarian > American Geographical Society Library > UW Milwaukee Libraries > 2311 E. Hartford Avenue > Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53201 > > http://www.uwm.edu/Libraries/AGSL/index.html > Hours: M-F 8:00am-4:30pm > [log in to unmask] > (414)229-6282 / (800)558-8993 (US TOLL FREE) / (414)229-3624 (FAX) > 43°03'8"N 87°57'21"W > > -- Peter Peller Maps, Academic Data and Geographic Information Centre (MADGIC) Libraries and Cultural Resources University of Calgary Office: MLT 214C Phone: (403) 220-2295