-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: Re: 1847 chart by Capt. Henry Kellett, R.N. Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 14:01:58 +0100 From: Cook, Andrew <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> CC: <[log in to unmask]>, <[log in to unmask]> References: A<[log in to unmask]> Matthew Parsons The answer is not as complicated as it's been made to appear. Francis Herbert ought to have known to ask me. I've been working on British Admiralty Charts of BC for some time now, and can offer the following. 1. The chart of Juan de Fuca Strait published by the British Admiralty on 18 January 1849 was a London office compilation under Francis Beaufort's supervision, using Kellett's fair manuscript and adding information from US charts published by Wilkes and the US Ex Ex. (Francis Beaufort, Admiralty hydrographer and publisher of the 1849 chart, is known to have had Wilkes' charts early from the US and thought highly of them.) There are copies of the first published (1849) state of the British chart in BC Archives (their map number *B207*) and in UBC Special Collections (their former reference *2/18*). If you want to obtain a copy of the first published state from the UK Hydrographic Office, ask their Archives for *Old Copy Bundle (OCB) chart 1911 series A-1*. 2. As with many Admiralty charts, particularly small-scale charts, the plates were continually revised and reprinted. #1911 was frequently corrected on the plate, with revisions from Richards' 1858-1862 surveys, until at least 1865, and reprinted with minor corrections long thereafter A new chart #1911 was issued in 1883 to replace it. That is how your patron can find an '1849' published chart with Richards' revisions of more than 10 years later, and how the UW library has the US re-engraving of the Kellett chart with Richards' revisions from 1873. During his 1858-1862 surveys Richards continued to acknowledge Kellett as his prime source for the parts of the Vancouver Island coast he had yet to visit. BC Archives have a number of examples of the 1860s re-issues of the 1849 chart, and I can supply their document references if required. 3. If your patron wishes to search for the fair manuscript of Kellett's survey which he sent to the UK Hydrographic Office and which was used for the 1849 chart #1911, he should ask the UKHO Archives to search in their Original Documents (or Original Surveys) collection for just that. If the manuscript survey survives there, and has not been either discarded as superseded or transferred to the Canadian Hydrographic Service in the early 1900s, it should be findable as one of the source documents used in the construction of chart #1911. 4. Your patron may be interested to read the chapter I wrote on British Admiralty Charts of BC in W Glover (ed), Charting Northern Waters (McGill-Queens, 2004). I'd be glad to continue to correspond off-list with you or your patron about the questions he raises: the subsequent handling by Richards of Kellett's 're-naming' of features in Juan de Fuca Strait which he did not know had already been named by Wilkes is an interesting administrative and diplomatic one, and one which Bryce Wood, in his topographical work on the San Juan Islands, only touches on. I'll be away from my office desk for two weeks now (and all my books and papers on this are at home anyway), so please send any further e-mails also to my Dalrymple Research Institute address (in the cc line to this message). I don't see Maps-L at that address, so please copy me in this thread if it develops further. Sincerely Andrew Cook ------------------------------------------------------------------------ <http://www.bl.uk/images/entrypoint/bl_logo_100.gif> *Andrew S Cook *PhD FRHistS FRSA* * Map Archivist, India Office Records Asia, Pacific & Africa Collections *T +44 (0) 20 7412 7828* *F +44 (0) 20 7412 7641** **[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>* *The British Library** *96 Euston Road London NW1 2DB **_www.bl.uk_* <http://www.bl.uk/>* <http://www.bl.uk/email/banner.htm> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----Original Message----- From: Maps, Air Photo & Geospatial Systems Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Maps-L Moderator Sent: 03 September 2009 21:46 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: 1847 chart by Capt. Henry Kellett, R.N. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: 1847 chart by Capt. Henry Kellett, R.N. Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:37:30 +0100 From: Francis Herbert <[log in to unmask]> To: <[log in to unmask]> Dear Angie Cope and/or Matthew Parsons, Having been a little confused by recent responses to this anonymous patron's original request, today (Thursday in London, England) I decided to take a look at a book - in which I get a modest credit by its author (b. 1909) - confident that it would at least provide general contextual references/sources of possible relevance to the inquirer. And it does:- San Juan Island : coastal place names and cartographic nomenclature / Bryce Wood. - Ann Arbor MI : University Microfilms International for Washington State Historical Society, 1980. - xii,268p. : ill., maps ; 25 cm. - ISBN 0-8357-0526-9 Pages 207-224 - headed 'List of charts' - lists, and often gives a location for, 108 items (quite distinct from the work's 'Bibliography' on pp.225-243), beginning with 'British Admiralty Charts'. Item no.1 is what the anonymous patron surely seeks: 'America. N.W. Coast. Strait of Juan de Fuca. Surveyed by Captain Henry Kellett, R.N., 1847 [. . .] London, Admiralty, Jan. 18, 1849 [. . .] Chart 1911.'? Bryce Wood points out, at the end of this description, that "The surveying was carried out in the summer of 1846, but the 'fair charts' did not reach the Hydrographic Office until early in 1847"; this would then legitimately necessitate about a year for all other associated survey materials to be synthesized and copper-engraved. In the light of the fact that the patron has tried "an archive in England with no success" (which 'archive'?) may I advise he or she should contact directly the United Kingdom Hydrographic Office (Archives) in Taunton, Somerset as the most relevant repository of knowledge in the first instance, c/o Guy Hannaford [[log in to unmask]]. The National Maritime Museum, The British Library, and Royal Geographical Society (with IBG) - in London - all have some pertinent historical hydrographic materials (including associated sailing directions or 'pilots' by private compilers and publishers - e.g. A.G. Findlay) for the period. And all can supply images. PS: Bryce Wood was put in touch (presumable ca 1978-79) with Hydrographer of the Navy G.H. Richards' great-grandson in Bath "to peruse the documents of his great-grandfather . . . especially to those labeled 'Hydrographic. Private.' which are cited several times as 'Channer Documents.' " Sincerely (Mr) Francis Herbert (former Curator of Maps, Royal Geographical Society with IBG) -----Original Message----- From: Maps, Air Photo & Geospatial Systems Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Maps-L Moderator Sent: 28 August 2009 19:32 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: 1847 chart by Capt. Henry Kellett, R.N. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: 1847 chart by Capt. Henry Kellett, R.N. Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:26:59 -0700 From: Matthew Parsons <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] I have a patron doing place name research and would like to know if anyone has an original chart surveyed by Capt. Henry Kellett, R.N. from 1846/1847? Below is an excerpt (for background) of our dialog thus far regarding his request: *Patron reply -* I really need the original 1847 from Kellett. What I'm trying to do is trace place names from Wilkes through Kellett, then Alden and finally Richards (which is the first chart below that you reference). Any idea where I might find Kellett? I've tried BC Archives and an archive in England with no success. *UW Map Collection -* There are two nautical chart reprints in our collection that mention Henry Kellett’s 1847 surveys. Neither of them are directly BY him, they just say that they use his survey work Here are titles, and links to the catalog descriptions: 1.Strait of Juan de Fuca / surveyed by Captain Henry Kellett, R.N., 1847 ; Haro & Rosario Straits by Captain G.H. Richards, R.N. ; Admiralty Inlet and Puget Sound by the United States Exploring Expedition, 1841 ; Coast south of C. Flattery by the same in 1853. <http://catalog.lib.washington.edu/record=b4516793~S6 <http://catalog.lib.washington.edu/record=b4516793%7ES6>> this description includes a further link to an image “connect to this item online” 2. North America--West Coast, Strait of Juan de Fuca and the channels between the continent & Vancouver Id. : showing the boundary line between British & American possessions / from the Admiralty surveys by Captains H. Kellett, R.N. 1847, & G.H. Richards, R.N. 1858-62 <http://catalog.lib.washington.edu/record=b4517536~S6 <http://catalog.lib.washington.edu/record=b4517536%7ES6>>