In the field of geology, there are what’s known as “driller’s terms” for various rock formations, and some of those driller’s terms are quite politically incorrect now. But also, sometimes there is crossover, and the drillers call it something, and then sometimes some of those driller’s terms make their way into the scientific literature. In science, too, you have the idea that here is what we once knew. And now, with more data, here is what we know now. Some of the old maps might say something that we now know to be wrong – such as saying that a particular kind of coal is found at a particular spot, but really, once you do more testing, you find out that actually, that is a different kind of coal. But, a geologist could be looking at an old report, and sometimes it could be useful for them to try to know what someone 60 years ago believed that something was. Or, that map might have wrong information about coal types, but right information about sample numbers. So, if you had info about rock samples and needed to see where those samples came from, then you would still need that map. So, those old maps with that historic information can still have value. If your institution keeps historic material, then that doesn’t mean your institution is endorsing all viewpoints of that material. I have seen geologists argue about a map, and whether that map is any good or not. It is my belief that good people can have differences of opinion. And, for giving people information, you can have the idea of superceded material, especially for something like a map that shows where all the earthquakes are. With online interactive maps, it’ll be even more interesting to see how we go about capturing a snapshot of current information, so that in 10 years someone would have a way to see what we know now. With no historic material, you will not be able to see trends. Sylvia Halladay | Librarian Ohio Department of Natural Resources | Division of Geological Survey 2045 Morse Rd., Bldg. C-1 | Columbus, Ohio 43229 614.265.6624 | [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> | www.ohiogeology.com<http://www.ohiogeology.com/> From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Coombs, Jim Sent: Monday, April 01, 2019 2:58 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Outdated/Culturally Insensitive Maps and Atlases This reminds me that a couple of years ago, my female student assistant and I did an inventory/weeding of USGS 1:24,00 topos. She read the names while I thumbed through the maps. It got embarrassing with names in the western states like these in Mark’s book. Jim Jim Coombs Maps & GIS Librarian Missouri State University Springfield, MO 65897 (417) 836-4534 [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 1:33 PM John A Olson <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: I’ll reference Mark Monmonier’s book here since he wrote about this exact thing in 2006. From Squaw Tit to Whorehouse Meadow : how maps name, claim, and inflame / Mark Monmonier. Chicago : University of Chicago Press, 2006. John A. Olson Librarian for Government and Geo-Information 358 E.S. Bird Library t 315.443.4818 [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Ratliff, Louise Sent: Monday, April 1, 2019 12:15 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Outdated/Culturally Insensitive Maps and Atlases There are so many politically-incorrect place names on our maps of California, I can’t count them! I certainly want these important cultural artifacts to remain in our collection; they reflect the history of our state and are valuable for that reason alone. Best, Louise Louise Ratliff Map Cataloger UCLA Sent from Louise's iPad On Apr 1, 2019, at 3:34 AM, Brad Elbein <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: I'm just a map-loving hanger on to this list serve, not one of you Map Librarians. But I'm horrified by this idea: de-accessioning the embarassing documents " so the casual user does not stumble across it?" Don't we as an Enlightenment-evolved culture want "casual users" to stumble across things that will make them uncomfortable and make them ask questions? It seems to me that such an accident serves two purposes: (1) It makes the stumblers uncomfortably aware that there were other people and ideas here before them and (2) it makes them aware that they are very likely every bit as benighted as the past generations, but just don't know it yet ... and might want to be humble about knowing "the truth." I've been thinking lately that the biggest problem with the electronic-ization of knowledge is that there are always governments that will want to control knowledge, and the electronic storage of knowledge makes it so much easier to do away with what's inconvenient for that government. Librarians and libraries in the liberal democracies are the bulwarks against that. And here we're going to self-sensor out of fear that someone might "casually stumble" across some map and ... and what? Have a heart attack and die? Burn the library down? Go to the Board of Regents? I mean, please. Why would you do the devils work for him? Brad Caveat Lector: I dictate a lot of my e-mails and can't always go back and edit, so sometimes they come out as gibberish. Autocomplete also sometimes thinks that I'm speaking Spanish and inserts inapposite words. Rest assured it's the software, not creeping dementia. On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 8:38 PM Julie Sweetkind-Singer <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Kathy, I think this is absolutely the role of our university libraries to present all points of view. That's what's needed to conduct serious research. I treat them as I would any other item and keep them on the shelves with everything else. I remove things I think will be vandalized or stolen, but all else stays. The most flagrant vandalism we've had are on two large globes at the main library where the students are fighting as to the naming of the Sea of Japan by scratching out what's on the globe and writing in their preferred names. Interesting to watch, but I wish they wouldn't deface the globes. (These are about 6 feet tall and so hard to store anywhere other than where they are now.) Best, Julie **** Julie Sweetkind-Singer Assistant Director of Geospatial and Cartographic Services Head, Branner Earth Sciences Map Library & Map Collections 397 Panama Mall, 2nd floor<https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmaps.google.com%2F%3Fq%3D397%2BPanama%2BMall%2C%2B2nd%2Bfloor%2B%250D%250A%2BStanford%26entry%3Dgmail%26source%3Dg&data=02%7C01%7Csylvia.halladay%40DNR.STATE.OH.US%7C926a767973234d0cdc6908d6b6d4de0c%7C50f8fcc494d84f0784eb36ed57c7c8a2%7C0%7C0%7C636897422714868252&sdata=tSsjKJ87X8ZauSzkW3kX3yq2AhJ%2BpgSmgT9lFZQSF9g%3D&reserved=0> Stanford<https://gcc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmaps.google.com%2F%3Fq%3D397%2BPanama%2BMall%2C%2B2nd%2Bfloor%2B%250D%250A%2BStanford%26entry%3Dgmail%26source%3Dg&data=02%7C01%7Csylvia.halladay%40DNR.STATE.OH.US%7C926a767973234d0cdc6908d6b6d4de0c%7C50f8fcc494d84f0784eb36ed57c7c8a2%7C0%7C0%7C636897422714868252&sdata=tSsjKJ87X8ZauSzkW3kX3yq2AhJ%2BpgSmgT9lFZQSF9g%3D&reserved=0> University Stanford, CA 94305 650-725-1102 ________________________________ From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Kathy Stroud <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 10:44 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Outdated/Culturally Insensitive Maps and Atlases All, Not sure if we’ve had a discussion about this before. However, it’s coming up in my mind as I’m contemplating weeding our atlas collection. (At this point I’m mostly looking at duplicates, since all the old reference atlases from branch libraries seem to have been transferred to the main library.) Perhaps you could share any institutional guidance you have or merely your collective wisdom from over the years. We have a significant collection of 19th and 20th century atlases. Since we have a strong cartography component in our Geography department, I think it is important to keep these. On a personal level, I also think it’s important as a cultural record of how our society previously viewed the world. However, some of the portrayals of the culture of non-Euro-American areas of the world are offensive to people. (I’m currently looking at a 1944 “Atlas of Global Geography.” I had not realized that in 1944 bushman/hottentot was one of the races of mankind.) How do you treat older cartographic (and geography) materials that contain outdated, offensive viewpoints? 1) Transfer to a mediated access area (such as special collections) so the casual user does not stumble across it? 2) Keep in general, circulating shelves along with modern materials to hint that they should be taken in historical context? 3) Deaccession? 4) Ignore issue and hope no one else raises it? Working in an academic setting, I am for keeping at least a sampling of “objectionable” materials and against censoring what we consider embarrassing aspects of our history. How we talk about race has evolved significantly even in my lifetime, but if we don’t understand our past, how can we understand where we are now and where we want to go? This issue with older atlases and other cartographic materials reminds me a lot of how geographers do and don’t deal with “environmental determinism.” In graduate school, there always seems to be an awkward discussion about environmental determinism when studying the history of geography. It’s along the lines of … er, we don’t really believe this theory anymore, it was popular among geographers over 100 years ago, you should know about it so you understand how it influences modern geography, but we don’t really talk about it because it’s embarrassing. Any thoughts for a Friday? Kathy Stroud David and Nancy Petrone Map/GIS Librarian Knight Library 1299 University of Oregon Eugene, OR 97403-1299 541-346-3051 “A map is not just a picture—it’s also the data behind the map, the methodology used to collect and parse that data, the people doing that work, the choices made in terms of visualization and the software used to make them.”