Thanks for sharing good info on what happens with scale for digital map resources Wangyal! 

Michael, I will need to double-check this but am fairly certain that we, as catalogers, are to record the RF as provided on the map, digital or physical. Of course, if a digital version of a map only has a bar scale one cannot use the natural scale indicator to determine an approximate scale, and I think this could be one case where the new supplied phrase "Scale not determined" would apply. 

On the other hand, if you are concerned about communicating to a user the variability of actual scale depending on print size and/or zoomability there is always the 500 field where you can construct a note in any fashion you wish for this kind of thing. But also let me look into a couple of 3XX fields too, if there is metadata available about things like scan ratio and similar I know this data has one or two specific MARC fields where it can be recorded in subfields set up just for that purpose. 

Paige


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Thanks, Wangyal. I guess my concern is that a PDF can, theoretically, be printed to an infinite number of sizes, only one of which preserves the correct scale as stated in the RF. And so I wonder if users would be well served if catalogers made notes in the record to that effect. In the Okavango map's case, the scale of the print map is 1:2M only when the map has been printed to a size of 28.94 x 30.10 inches. [Here is where Paige will slap our wrists for not using centimeters!] 

OTOH, I'm not sure what you'd say about scale and zoom levels for viewers of the PDF. 

mf

On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 6:42 PM Tsering W. Shawa <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Hi Michael,

If you have downloaded the original pdf file, then it is important to catalog the page size and the scale of a map. This will allow a patron to print the map in actual size. If the digital map has a graphical scale (the map you downloaded does have both RF and graphical scale), then you don't need to worry about whether the patron will zoom in or out to look at the map and measure distances. The graphical scale will change according to the zoom level. Because of this, most cartographers will use both the RF and the graphical scale on a map. If the map has a graphical scale (scale bar) then it does not matter if the map has been enlarged or reduced; the scale will still be correct. 

The actual size of the Okavango River Basin map you downloaded is 28.94 x 30.10 inches. 

Hope this information is helpful to you.

Thanks,
-Wangyal

Tsering Wangyal Shawa

GIS and Map Librarian

Head, Map and Geospatial Information Center

Peter B. Lewis Library

Washington Road & Ivy Lane

Princeton University, Princeton, NJ 08544

Telephone: 609-258-6804

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Hi,
The ubiquity of the Internet means that maps (or map image files) are increasingly available for download from all kinds of map publishers (e.g., UN and many national mapping orgs that no longer sell paper maps). Which is great. But it almost certainly means that users will increasingly view maps at a scale different from what's actually printed on those maps. 

Here's a specific example. Several years ago, I downloaded, printed (at poster size), cataloged, and shelved in the collection this 1:2M UN map of the Okavango River Basin. Now that we have a facility for storing map imagery, etc., I can link the digital object to the same catalog record and give users the option to see the map in both print and digital format. But in neither case--our print copy or the PDF--is the scale stated on the map likely to be the same scale that users see the map at. Unless, of course, I just happened to print it to the exact dimensions the UN had in mind when they set the map to 1:2M (unlikely) or users view the PDF version only at the zoom level consistent with 1:2M (also unlikely). 

Is there anything to be done about this other than continuing to record the scale as it appears on the map? If the map was printed from a digital file--or if you know the map to be a reproduction or facsimile of some kind, could one note this somewhere and point out that the true scale of the map may differ from the stated/recorded scale?

Thank you.
mf
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National Geographic Society Library
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