Hi, I’m not a map cataloger but work with the catalogers and manage a map collection. LC does have a neighborhood designation that nests under the city. So, in New York City, you have a neighborhood called Chelsea. So the call number would be G3804.N4:2C47E635 2015.R4 where .N4 is the City New York and :2C47 is Chelsea. You can see the record in action here along with the subject headings. https://catalog.libraries.psu.edu/catalog/16423069 Here is an example for Jerusalem https://catalog.libraries.psu.edu/catalog/3593598 Listing where to find this item in our buildings. Call number Material Location G7504.J4:2Y4 2006.I8 With a subject heading of: Yerushalayim ha-?ati?ah (Jerusalem)<https://catalog.libraries.psu.edu/?f[subject_facet][]=Yerushalayim+ha-%CA%BBati%E1%B8%B3ah+%28Jerusalem%29>—Maps<https://catalog.libraries.psu.edu/?f[subject_facet][]=Yerushalayim+ha-%CA%BBati%E1%B8%B3ah+%28Jerusalem%29%E2%80%94Maps> I hope this helps. Heather Ross Map Specialist Penn State ________________________________ From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Krina DoekesBran <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 4:49:04 AM To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: advice about subject headings. Thank you all for your input. We do use the names of neighborhoods as subject headings. The main use of those is as parts of Jerusalem, and to a lesser extent of Tel Aviv and Haifa. Those neighborhoods are very well known. We have a map series of Jerusalem from the 1920’s consisting of 46 sheets, and another one of the 1930-40’s of about 155 sheets. Many Jerusalem neighborhoods were built around a lot of empty space, some of it is still there though much has been built up by now. That is why the names of neighborhoods don’t always cover the area described by the map, and sometimes there is no next neighborhood to assign as a second subject heading. Which is why I (and the map librarian before me) started to use the formula “[x neigborhood] region”. But it seems we are overruled. Oh well. We are in the process of developing a GIS based interface due to which the use of subject headings will be less important. So in the end all will be well. Great to hear of your solution to your problem, Sylvia. I love those creative solutions. But in our case we need the 655 genre headings, as we are a map collection in a library with all kinds of other materials. ?? Krina From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of [log in to unmask] Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2023 18:53 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: advice about subject headings. We made a local decision to use the 655 field, and then not use that field in other ways. It appeared to me that that 655 for genre was most often used for things that just don’t apply to us, such as various genres of literature. We just don’t have that, and when I’m copy cataloging, it can happen, but it seems rare to find a 655 tag for the kind of materials that we have. So, we sacrificed the usual use of that field, in order to have a field we could use strictly for local subject headings. Because our collection specializes in Ohio geology, we have many items that will all have kind of the same words, and so, being able to zero in using subject headings is important. One of the things I made local subject headings for was coal designations – we have thousands of maps showing coal in Ohio. I wanted a little more to describe them than “Coal – Ohio”. In our system it is possible for a 655 field to be hyperlinked, and you could click on it and round up more stuff. But it was not possible for a 653 to be hyperlinked. We’re not part of a consortium, and so, things in our local catalog are not going to show up in a union catalog any place else. If I ever needed to, I could do some maneuvers to strip out all 655 fields, or change it to a 653. I thought it was good to keep our local subject headings segregated in that way, to leave some room to back out of this if that need ever came. I don’t know what the future holds, and it’s always good to have options. 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If you receive this message by mistake, please let me know, delete the message, and do not forward it to anyone else. Thank you. From: Andrew, Paige G. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 10:56 AM To: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>; Halladay, Sylvia <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: advice about subject headings. Good for you documenting those local subject headings that you are using only for your map collection! That means there should be consistency of use within your organization over time. I am curious as to which MARC heading you are using (if that applies)? Paige ________________________________ From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 10:26 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: Re: advice about subject headings. You don't often get email from [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>. Learn why this is important<https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> As for us, we also wouldn’t use “Region” accompanying a name for any place smaller than a city - But we do use our own local subject headings. We’re a very specialized collection – only Ohio geology – and so, there are cases where Library of Congress just doesn’t have a subject heading that we need. I keep our local subject headings documented in a spreadsheet. Also, those are only for our local catalog and are not contributed to WorldCat. 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If you receive this message by mistake, please let me know, delete the message, and do not forward it to anyone else. Thank you. From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Andrew, Paige G. Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 7:56 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: advice about subject headings. Hello Krina, No, I do not use the free-floating term "Region" accompanying a name for any place smaller than a city. I think H790 is pretty clear on that "the city and its surrounding territory". A neighborhood by definition is a smaller portion of a city or town, even if the boundaries of the neighborhood are geographically large. As for neighborhoods and lack of subject headings for them, there isn't a lot one can do about that except combine a topical term for a neighborhood (I am not yet at work and so do not have access to NAF to look up if "neighborhood" is a LCSH subject heading, sorry). Alternately, look at the MARC 653 field because it is flexible enough to allow a cataloger to use the name of a neighborhood. Sincerely, Paige ________________________________ From: Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Krina DoekesBran <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2023 3:49 AM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Subject: advice about subject headings. Shalom, In our map collection we have been using the word ‘region’ as a broader term, not only for a city, but also for individual neighborhoods. LC defines, in: Areas Associated with Cities [city] Region: the city itself and its surrounding territory, the exact size and boundaries of which are indefinite and may vary according to each individual work being cataloged. (LCSH manual chapter H790) My reason was, that sometimes the area around a neighborhood was (and is) hard to define, not built up and does not have a specific name to use for a subject heading. My superiors are of the opinion that a neighborhood cannot have the word ‘region’ attached to it in subject headings, and want to take the word region out. Does anybody use the word ‘region’ for an area smaller than a city? Thank you for any input. 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