So glad to help, Karen! I did dash through the various digitized printings of the Volney book (from Internet Archive, which includes Google Books scans, as well as HathiTrust) and unfortunately haven't yet found that *exact* engraving of the map (where Africa goes off the west edge of the circle, Persepolis is spelled "Pesepolis," and the oceans are concentric rings). I mentioned it to a friend of mine who was the director of the library at Thomas Jefferson's Monticello <https://www.monticello.org/research-education/jefferson-library/>, and he said that they'd been gifted a stack of various printings/editions of Volney's *Ruins* there some time ago. They might be able to check their printings for you, or if I head that way (I go visit once or twice a year since I used to work there) before you find it yourself, I'd be happy to poke around in person for you. Love a good map/library/history mystery. š Best of luck! --Eric ______________________________________________________________ [image: Workshop-logo-red-tight-72dpi.jpg] Eric D. M. Johnson, MA, MSLIS Head, Innovative Media Associate Professor Virginia Commonwealth University Libraries @ericdmj <http://twitter.com/ericdmj> // 804-828-2802 // library.vcu.edu/workshop *Pronouns: he/him/his* On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 10:01 AM Karen D. Miller <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Thank you very much Eric! > > > > This is a wonderful help. I was hoping that searching on that misspelled > name might be sufficient to find the map via Google, but that was a hope > too far, I guess. It does aid in identifying the imprint date, though. > Thank you again for your assistance! > > > > Best regards, > > Karen > > > > *From:* Eric D M Johnson <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 04, 2023 11:27 AM > *To:* Maps-L: Map Librarians, etc. <[log in to unmask]>; Karen D. > Miller <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject:* Re: Help with untitled map > > > > Hi, Karen-- > > > > I did some poking around--lucky Googling, basically--and I think it's a > map from the frontispiece of *Volney's Ruins: Or, Meditation on the > Revolutions of Empires*. The original (*Les Ruines, ou mĆ©ditations sur > les rĆ©volutions des empires*) was written in French in 1791 by Constantin > FranƧois de ChassebÅuf, comte de Volney and there seem to have been quite a > number of translations available in English in the late 18th c. and > throughout the 19th. > > > > I haven't quite found that specific map (I'd wager it comes from a > specific edition), but you can see one very close to it on page 22 of > this 1796 edition > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/archive.org/details/ruinsorsurveyofr01voln/page/n21/mode/2up__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!VLqieUR3WyfBFhvZjidF0QGEIVCeRrjZJNsTPpK2X5EKz9CGwYSTiJW1n08SUMh3I1Ac2qQa-l8phlAJLe4d7hhU65LhZQ$> > .and page 10 of this 1822 edition > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/archive.org/details/ruins01voln/page/n9/mode/2up__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!VLqieUR3WyfBFhvZjidF0QGEIVCeRrjZJNsTPpK2X5EKz9CGwYSTiJW1n08SUMh3I1Ac2qQa-l8phlAJLe4d7hi2bEE79w$>. > Titles have been differently rendered, too, adding to the fun (*The > ruins: or A survey of the revolutions of empires *vs *Volney's Ruins: Or, > Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires*, for instance). I'd think it's > safe to presume we're looking at an English edition since the cardinal > directions on the map are in English. > > > > I noticed, too, that the map you provided has a typo (writo?) in the > legend at #6: Persepolis is rendered as"Pesepolis" -- might be a quick way > to help see if you/we find the right print edition! > > > > Lots of editions to poke through here > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/archive.org/search?query=ruins*volney__;Kw!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!VLqieUR3WyfBFhvZjidF0QGEIVCeRrjZJNsTPpK2X5EKz9CGwYSTiJW1n08SUMh3I1Ac2qQa-l8phlAJLe4d7hjMHFtGxQ$>. > What a fantastic mystery for a Saturday morning! š > > > > --Eric > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > *Eric D. M. 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It has no title, no statement of responsibility, and no > publisherās information. No date, of course. > > > > Iāve used Google Lens to search images based on a photograph I took of the > map, with no luck. Iāve browsed through multiple atlas pages on the David > Rumsey website, also to no avail. Iāve searched on the placenames listed in > the legend, both in WorldCat and Google, also with no luck. > > > > Iām wondering if anybody can help me identify this map or at least suggest > a time frame for the publication date. Iāve resigned myself to creating a > catalog record with a cataloger-created title and a long description, but > Iād love to know where this came from and when. I am a general cataloger > with training in cataloging pre-20th century maps, but I am not an expert > in maps. > > > > Iām pretty sure I wonāt be able to attach the image, so hereās a > description. The map is a circle depicting the eastern hemisphere with > relief shown pictorially. It shows Europe to the north, including āThuleā, > Scandinavia, and Novaya Zemlya. It shows the entire African continent, > which extends to the western edge of the circle, and into China on the > east, just east of Hainan Island, which is depicted as a peninsula. A land > mass is shown just south of Vietnam, but it is not labeled. Australia is > not shown. > > > > The only text outside the map is North, East, South, and West, plus a > legend that identifies places labeled with numbers on the map. The place > names are: > > > > 1. Pyramids > 2. Gaza > 3. R. Jordan > 4. M. Sinai > 5. Baharen Islands > 6. Persepolis > 7. Ecbatana > 8. Babylon > 9. Nineveh > 10. Cassimere > 11. Crimea > 12. Constantinople > 13. La-sa > > > > Iām going to try to attach the image, but I imagine it will get stripped > off by the listserv software. I will be more than happy to email it > off-list! > > > > Best regards, > > Karen > > > > *Karen D. Miller* > > Monographic Cataloger/Metadata Specialist > > Northwestern University Libraries > > Northwestern University > > 1970 Campus Drive > > Evanston, IL 60208 > > www.library.northwestern.edu > > [log in to unmask] > > 874.467.3462 > > > > > >