So glad to help, Karen!  I did dash through the various digitized printings of the Volney book (from Internet Archive, which includes Google Books scans, as well as HathiTrust) and unfortunately haven't yet found that exact engraving of the map (where Africa goes off the west edge of the circle, Persepolis is spelled "Pesepolis," and the oceans are concentric rings).

I mentioned it to a friend of mine who was the director of the library at Thomas Jefferson's Monticello, and he said that they'd been gifted a stack of various printings/editions of Volney's Ruins there some time ago.  They might be able to check their printings for you, or if I head that way (I go visit once or twice a year since I used to work there) before you find it yourself, I'd be happy to poke around in person for you.  Love a good map/library/history mystery. 😁

Best of luck!

--Eric
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On Mon, Feb 6, 2023 at 10:01 AM Karen D. Miller <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Thank you very much Eric!

 

This is a wonderful help. I was hoping that searching on that misspelled name might be sufficient to find the map via Google, but that was a hope too far, I guess. It does aid in identifying the imprint date, though. Thank you again for your assistance!

 

Best regards,

Karen

 

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Hi, Karen--

 

I did some poking around--lucky Googling, basically--and I think it's a map from the frontispiece of Volney's Ruins: Or, Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires.  The original (Les Ruines, ou méditations sur les révolutions des empires) was written in French in 1791 by Constantin François de Chassebœuf, comte de Volney and there seem to have been quite a number of translations available in English in the late 18th c. and throughout the 19th.  

 

I haven't quite found that specific map (I'd wager it comes from a specific edition), but you can see one very close to it on page 22 of this 1796 edition.and page 10 of this 1822 edition.  Titles have been differently rendered, too, adding to the fun (The ruins: or A survey of the revolutions of empires vs Volney's Ruins: Or, Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires, for instance).  I'd think it's safe to presume we're looking at an English edition since the cardinal directions on the map are in English.

 

I noticed, too, that the map you provided has a typo (writo?) in the legend at #6: Persepolis is rendered as"Pesepolis" -- might be a quick way to help see if you/we find the right print edition!

 

Lots of editions to poke through here.  What a fantastic mystery for a Saturday morning! 😁

 

--Eric


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On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 5:04 PM Karen D. Miller <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hello and happy Friday!

 

I have been given several folders of maps that our cartographic specialist said were taken from atlases. No information about the atlases was given, so each one has been an exercise in sleuthing. One particular map has me at my wit’s end. It has no title, no statement of responsibility, and no publisher’s information. No date, of course.

 

I’ve used Google Lens to search images based on a photograph I took of the map, with no luck. I’ve browsed through multiple atlas pages on the David Rumsey website, also to no avail. I’ve searched on the placenames listed in the legend, both in WorldCat and Google, also with no luck.

 

I’m wondering if anybody can help me identify this map or at least suggest a time frame for the publication date. I’ve resigned myself to creating a catalog record with a cataloger-created title and a long description, but I’d love to know where this came from and when. I am a general cataloger with training in cataloging pre-20th century maps, but I am not an expert in maps.

 

I’m pretty sure I won’t be able to attach the image, so here’s a description. The map is a circle depicting the eastern hemisphere with relief shown pictorially. It shows Europe to the north, including “Thule”,  Scandinavia, and Novaya Zemlya. It shows the entire African continent, which extends to the western edge of the circle, and into China on the east, just east of Hainan Island, which is depicted as a peninsula. A land mass is shown just south of Vietnam, but it is not labeled. Australia is not shown.

 

The only text outside the map is North, East, South, and West, plus a legend that identifies places labeled with numbers on the map. The place names are:

 

  1. Pyramids
  2. Gaza
  3. R. Jordan
  4. M. Sinai
  5. Baharen Islands
  6. Persepolis
  7. Ecbatana
  8. Babylon
  9. Nineveh
  10. Cassimere
  11. Crimea
  12. Constantinople
  13. La-sa

 

I’m going to try to attach the image, but I imagine it will get stripped off by the listserv software. I will be more than happy to email it off-list!

 

Best regards,

Karen

 

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