It seems that Google is making a lot of changes recently, without warning, or much reason (other than selling something to someone).

Here are two recent shell related examples: 1). Google removed Shell Collector Management Program from my computer and all back-up files that I have been using to manage my shell collection for the past 10 years. I lost five years of data and it will take me about 100 hours to re-enter the data from my collection that was erased. I also had to pay my local geek $100.00 to reinstall my program because Google wiped all traces 

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HELP!!! I have had two packages from the Indonesia area seized by Fish & Wildlife. This is by one officer and I don’t think she knows what she is doing. Am I doing something wrong or am I just dealing with someone who is wrong in her interpretation of the law? Any help would be deeply appreciated. There is nothing in these packages, that I’m aware of, that is listed on CITES or should be illegal to bring through the mail. Is there someone out there that knows what is going on? Any guidance? You can reply thru CONCH-L because 

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WIthin the last two years I had one taken by USFW in Miami, from a
fairly "new" dealer in Brazil. (They were mainly a seafood
distributor, but also got nice shells with latin names and data
)...First time that has happened to me in 45+ years of buying and
trading. As best as I can tell, the only thing different about this
package than all the others was the dealer had a weird business model-
on their shipping forms they insisted local law dictated them listing
the prices paid for each shell, rather than the customary "Shells for
Scientific Study 

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As far as I understand, both Brazil and Indonesia have very strict laws
regarding export of marine specimens.
In Brazil, to get one specimen of crab years ago, it had to get the GO
from a Govt. Agency to be exported.

Would this explain that???? Best. ME Hendrickx (UNAM, Mexico)

El 19/01/2021 a las 02:54 p. m., William Bennight escribió:
> HELP!!!  I have had two packages from the Indonesia area seized by
> Fish & Wildlife. This is by one officer and I don’t think she knows
> what she is doing. Am I doing something wrong or am I 

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at the risk of being overly verbose, here is more info...it seems
their main concern was if the shells were going to be used
COMMERCIALLY (which they were not)

PASTED FROM OLD EMAILS AS THIS WAS HAPPENING....

I just got a call back from the Fish and Wildlife Inspector down in
Miami. He has three points of concern, resulting in them classifying
our shipment as 'commercial' which would require me to pay for an
import license and then to pay a duty on the shells. When this is
done the price for all that would be more than what we 

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WoRMS seems to be "iffy" with searches not working, among other snail pace access.

On April 25, 2024 7:00:03 PM EDT, Karlynn Morgan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Dear Listers
>The COA Website is down and has been for a few days now.  The administrators are aware of the problem and are working hard to fix the issue.  We are not the only ones affected.  Hopefully things will be up and running again soon.
>Karlynn
>NC - USA
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I had problems there today also, Rich.

On 4/25/2024 7:03 PM, Richard Goldberg wrote:
> WoRMS seems to be "iffy" with searches not working, among other snail
> pace access.
>
>
> On April 25, 2024 7:00:03 PM EDT, Karlynn Morgan
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Dear Listers
> The COA Website is down and has been for a few days now. The
> administrators are aware of the problem and are working hard to
> fix the issue.  We are not the only ones affected.  Hopefully
> things will be up and running again soon.
> Karlynn
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Thankfully, we're back up online again.  Thanks to our hard-working
administrators for getting the action going again.
Karlynn

On 4/25/2024 7:00 PM, Karlynn Morgan wrote:
>
> Dear Listers
> The COA Website is down and has been for a few days now.  The
> administrators are aware of the problem and are working hard to fix
> the issue.  We are not the only ones affected. Hopefully things will
> be up and running again soon.
> Karlynn
> NC - USA
>

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I can help some.

Andrea Hutchinson
Go Classy Tours, Inc.
727 243-9371

Fantastic work, thanks, Marlo!

Superb work Marlo!

Susan

> On Jul 25, 2022, at 3:30 PM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Ividia havanensis (Pilsbry and Aguayo, 1933) <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-template-278>
>
> Marlo
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Superb !!
Thank so much

Patrice
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> Le 22 déc. 2021 à 19:50, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> a écrit :
>
> Cerithideopsis costata | letstalkseashells (wixsite.com) <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-cerithidae-scalariformis>
>
> Cerithideopsis scalariformis | letstalkseashells (wixsite.com) <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-template-555>
>
> Dolicholatirus cayohuesonicus | letstalkseashells (wixsite.com) <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-template-562>
>
>
>
> Marlo
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Thanks much! Helped me correct a bad ID.

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Cerithideopsis costata | letstalkseashells (wixsite.com)<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Folram9.wixsite.com%2Fletstalkseashells%2Fcopy-of-cerithidae-scalariformis&data=04%7C01%7C%7C5ca2d4c80b414582d26c08d9c57bf690%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637757958470035402%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=8jbAieaOQbZXWJqdcknHf0BvnRQHXLfiFB0kzvdOvuc%3D&reserved=0>

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Marlo

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Thanks to all who have expressed pleasure regarding my presentations.
Pointing out errors, making pertinent comments about the species, or
providing information others might find interesting/helpful are also
welcome. I can make edits or add photos.

Some examples of presentations amended due to reactions and discussions on
Conch-L or elsewhere:

<https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-template-54>
Batillaria minima | letstalkseashells (wixsite.com)

<https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-discussing-trivia-from
-eleu-1> Interesting Strombus pugilis - Eleuthera | letstalkseashells
(wixsite.com) 

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And now I need to go back and look at my Florida Latirids!! Thank you
Marlo for keeping up this flow of great information.

Tom E

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> Hemipolygona carinifera
> <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-template-563>
>
> Hemipolygona distincta
> <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-template-563>
>
> Hemipolygona mcgintyi
> <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-template-563>
>
> Polygona angulata
> <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-template-527>
>
> Polygona infundibulum
> <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-polygona-angulata>
>
> Happy New Year to All!!
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> /Marlo/
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Thanks for tackling this, Marlo. I often receive inquiries about
identifying this group, and it is gratifying to see authoritative work
like this become widely available - just a keystroke away.

Since, as with you valuable earlier posts, I presume you wish to hear of
other authentic FL records, especially those extending zoogeographic
species limits, I have added documentation for which I can vouch - in
the context of your legend below. 

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And many thanks for the very nice comparisons!

Hi Marlo,

Very interesting and beautiful photos.
Thank you.

Roland

Le jeu. 16 nov. 2023 à 22:52, <
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> Favartia of Florida | letstalkseashells (olram9.wixsite.com)
> <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-template-225>
>
>
>
> Favartia glypta | letstalkseashells (olram9.wixsite.com)
> <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-template-224>
>
>
>
> Favartia levicula | letstalkseashells (olram9.wixsite.com)
> <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-favartia-glypta>
>
>
>
> Favartia macgintyi | letstalkseashells (olram9.wixsite.com)
> <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-favartia-glypta-1>
>
>
>
> And,
>
>
>
> Murexsul oxytatus | letstalkseashells (olram9.wixsite.com)
> <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-favartia-glypta-2>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Marlo*
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Favartia of Florida | letstalkseashells (olram9.wixsite.com)

 

Favartia glypta | letstalkseashells (olram9.wixsite.com)

 

Favartia levicula | letstalkseashells (olram9.wixsite.com)

 

Favartia macgintyi | letstalkseashells (olram9.wixsite.com) 

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See:

https://biostor.org/reference/132571

D'Attilio & Radwin. 1970. "THE INTRITACALX AN UNDESCRIBED SHELL LAYER IN MOLLUSKS" - Veliger 13(4): 344-347

We (re-) learn something (not so) new every day on this forum...

Steve

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Here are two presentations that introduce the intritacalx concept. Been around awhile, but I'd never heard of it. 

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Thanks for the links, both historic and novel, Marlo.

Speaking of the former perspective, there's a piece on the Lettered
Olive on the COA website at <http://www.jaxshells.org/hgl54.htm>.

Harry

On 12/3/2023 8:59 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
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> Here are two presentations that introduce the intritacalx concept. 
> Been around awhile, but I’d never heard of it.
>
> Special thanks to Harry Lee and Roland Houart for assistance in
> understanding these taxa.
>
> Dermomurex elizabethae | letstalkseashells (olram9.wixsite.com)
> <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-dermomurex-pauperculus>
>
> Dermomurex pauperculus | letstalkseashells (olram9.wixsite.com)
> <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-babelomurex-mansfieldi>
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> Bored?  Take a look at an “oldy, but 

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The article is online at BHL:  https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/63366670
The journal's website has not been updated, but the BHL website does have the issues for 1989 and other issues through volume 38 (2005).
--Alan Kabat

On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 10:13:40 AM EDT, Ravinesh R <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear all, If anyone has this full paper PDF. Please send it to me. Journal of Conchology  https://conchsoc.org/journal website 1989 volumes are missing. 
Poutiers J.M. (1989) Note sur le genre Dacrydium Torell, 1859 dans l'Océan Indien (Mollusques Bivalves: Mytilidae), avec description de deux espèces nouvelles. Journal of Conchology 33: 209-217 

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Hi Moshe

see
Chenu, 1844 - Illustrations conchyliologiques :
ou description et figures de toutes les coquilles
connues vivantes et fossiles classées suivant le
système de Lamarck

page 6 (text) and pl. 26

https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/218318#page/294/mode/1up

All the best

Riccardo Giannuzzi Savelli

Thank you, Ricardo.
I could not see the year of publication on the title page, and Pl. 26 does
not seem to be included in the scan.
Moshe Erlendur

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 at 11:08, Riccardo Giannuzzi Savelli <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Hi Moshe
>
> see
> Chenu, 1844 - Illustrations conchyliologiques : ou description et figures
> de toutes les coquilles connues vivantes et fossiles classées suivant le
> système de Lamarck
>
> page 6 (text) and pl. 26
>
> https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/218318#page/294/mode/1up
>
> All the best
>
> Riccardo Giannuzzi Savelli
>
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See bottom of page 19 of the collation of Chenu, given in one of the annexes to "2400 Years of Malacology" at this link -- the 1844 date.

https://ams.wildapricot.org/resources/Documents/2400%20Years%20of%20Malacology/AMS2400collations.pdf
This is the source:  https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/30825111
Unfortunately, not all of Chenu is available online! 

--Alan Kabat

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Thank you very much, Alan.
Would anyone perhaps have a scan of Plate 26 of the 1844 Chenu work?
Moshe Erlendur

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 at 16:15, Alan Kabat <
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> See bottom of page 19 of the collation of Chenu, given in one of the
> annexes to "2400 Years of Malacology" at this link -- the 1844 date.
>
>
> https://ams.wildapricot.org/resources/Documents/2400%20Years%20of%20Malacology/AMS2400collations.pdf
>
> This is the source: https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/30825111
>
> Unfortunately, not all of Chenu is available online!
>
> --Alan Kabat
>
> On Friday, April 12, 2024 at 05:12:04 AM EDT, Moshe 

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Here is the plate that you are looking for, I guess: http://www.biolib.de/chenu/conchilia_tafeln_2/high/IMG_6900.html

Yes! Thank you Franck for all the links.

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> Here is the plate that you are looking for, I guess:
> http://www.biolib.de/chenu/conchilia_tafeln_2/high/IMG_6900.html
>
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The Religious Tract Society might have thought that God is punishing mollusks by imprisoning them in shells...  I guess slugs did something righteous...
Allen Aigen
On Wednesday, April 10, 2024 at 02:23:20 PM EDT, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Stumbled across this curiosity book on eBay.
Most amused by the title,
...I'm assuming they are referring to the animal inside as an Inmate?
Leslie 

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The book is available on BHL:
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/42908#page/9/mode/1up

Based on the contents, I suspect that commensals are counted along with the
shell makers as "inmates". 1841 popular publication means that barnacles,
tunicates, and brachiopods are included as well as mollusks.

On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 2:23 PM [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Stumbled across this curiosity book on eBay.
> Most amused by the title,
> ...I'm assuming they are referring to the animal inside as an Inmate?
> Leslie
>
> "Shells and their Inmates", 1841.
> The Religious Tract Society, London.
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Thanks to David for citing a source of this material.  Naturally, I had to read it.
As it transpires, the "tract" is a 214 page disquisition on what was known about "mollusks" to the science of 1841. As David notes, that category, at that time, included brachiopods and barnacles. 
The booklet is quite a tour de force with diagrams of snail hearts and barnacle anatomy and on and on. I learned from it such diverting items as that the English of the time thought that the ingestion of snails made for fat sheep.
The last 3 pages, as expected, concluded by 

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Beware that, although an online search for the book generates some hits for
copies from the original printing, many seem to be of the "we took
something out of copyright off the internet and printed it without editing"
genre. The latter process is legal, but one might question the ethics of
taking advantage of someone else's scanning effort and not making the
effort to check the quality.

From the Zoological Record, here are three recent papers about this invasive flatworm (and several other invasive species), from the Caribbean and Florida:
Lopez L., et al., 2022. Tree snails in South Florida: ongoing research and conservation concerns. Tentacle, 30: 17-19.  https://www.hawaii.edu/cowielab/Tentacle/Tentacle_30.pdf

Justine, J.-L., et al., 2021.  Presence of the invasive land flatworm Platydemus manokwari (Platyhelminthes, Geoplanidae) in Guadeloupe, Martinique and Saint Martin (West Indies). Zootaxa, 4951(2): 381-390.  https://www.mapress.com/zt/article/view/zootaxa.4951.2.11/43386 

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I know they've pretty much wiped out the Liguus populations at Castellow
Hammock (a nature preserve) in Dade County, Florida (SE of Miami).

As of a couple of years ago they supposedly were not in Everglades National
Park, but the general description of the places your friend saw decimated
snail populations could certainly fit some of the places I see them there. 

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No thoughts or insights on the matter?

On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 at 12:56, Moshe Erlendur Okon <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Shalom to all,
> WoRMS says that theses two species are valid, but when searching the web,
> I cannot seem to be sure of the differences between them, and some of the
> images of both seem very similar. Orange knobs? Brown aperture? Can anyone
> offer some guidelines?
> Best wishes, Moshe Erlendur
>

Moshe,

When the Worms ’’accepts’’ a taxon it means that its description is in compliance with the description criteria of the ICZN.

However his in no way means that the species in question is valid.

Franck

De : Conchologists List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] De la part de Moshe Erlendur Okon
Envoyé : jeudi 11 avril 2024 21:56
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Objet : Re: [CONCH-L] Engina lauta vs. alveolata 

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Karlynn.
I am hoping to come to the convention in June but I can't spend a week
there. My husband told me he would consider taking me for 2 or 3 days, one
of which would be the bourse if I was well enough. I hope I can make it but
really want to see Dave Watts' presentation about diving in Hawaiian
waters. Would I need to pay the full registration price or do they have a
daily rate? Lastly, would I need to register Ed to push my
wheelchair around and not attend the programs 

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Hi Karlynn,

I am so glad to hear this. Jaxshells is a diamond worth keeping alive. Harry’s research needs to be open and available for researchers even though the new breed only harvest information from Pier Review material.

Keep up the good work!

Matt

F. Matthew Blaine

Independent Researcher

Research Associate

The Florida State Collection of Arthropods 

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Do you have a list of past winners?

Linda
> On Mar 24, 2024, at 2:55 PM, John Jacobs <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Neptunea Award
> Many of us are beginning to plan for the 2024 COA Convention in Melbourne, FL. One of the many events on the agenda will be the annual COA Neptunea Award(s), and it is my privilege at this time to call for nominations. The consensus of the COA Board is to reopen nominations with a "clean slate" annually. Nominees not selected in previous years are certainly welcome for consideration if renominated - in fact their 

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*Previous Neptunea Award winners:*

2000 (Houston, TX): Ross Gunderson, Ben and Josy Wiener, Debbie Wills
2001 (Port Canaveral, FL): Emilio Garcia, Harry Lee, Lynn Scheu
2002 (Sarasota, FL): Richard Petit, Bernard and Phyllis Pipher
2003 (Tacoma, WA) Jim and Linda Brunner, Kevin Lamprell, Doris Underwood
2004 (Tampa, FL): Bobbi Houchin
2005 (Punta Rassa, FL): Richard Forbush, Anne Joffe, William Lyons
2006 (Mobile, AL): Jack Lightbourn, Betty Lipe
2007 (Portland, OR): none given
2008 (San Antonio, TX): Bill Frank, Archie Jones
2009 (Clearwater, FL) none given
2010 (Boston, MA): none given
2011 (Port Canaveral, FL): Alan Gettleman
2012 (Cherry Hill, NJ): 

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Dear Vicky:
"Proper taxonomic order" depends on which expert you believe.  Without trying to defend (and probably starting a firestorm), I would put them in the following phylogenetic order:
ZebinidaeVermetidaeAplysiidaeEllobiidae
Let the games begin.
Bob FalesEdison, NJ

On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 06:34:22 PM EDT, Vicky Wall <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hello,I am trying to get an exhibit together with the proper taxonomic order of Gastropod families.  I would appreciate any help with the following families....if you know where they belong, it would be helpful to me if you could give one or two families in front of and after. Here 

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I'd agree with Bob's suggested order, but you are really dealing with a bush, with families coming out in all directions, rather than a straight line of all the families.  There are published lists but I do not have the latest--probably others will help you.
On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 07:09:04 PM EDT, Robert Fales <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 

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Dear Vicky:
I see that I only addressed part of your request.
Aplysiidae and Ellobiidae are both heterobranchs, so they go last.  Aplysiidae is Opisthobranchia whereas Ellobiidae is Pulmonata, so Ellobiidae is after Aplysiidae.
Flanking might be    Saccoglossa (e.g., Juliidae)
Aplysiidae    NudibranchiaEllobiidae    Styellommatophora (e.g., slugs)
Zebinidae and Vermetidae, which go before heterobranchs, are both littorinimorph caenogastropods, so no help there, and it becomes a matter of opinion and the latest ruminations of the various experts.  My preference (and that's all it is) is to put Zebinidae "earlier" than Vermetidae (which might be near Xenophoridae).
Hope this helps.
Bob 

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I use Turgeon et al.  (Mollusks second edition, American Fisheries Society Second Edition, Special Publication 26,  Common and Scientific Names of Aquatic Invertebrates.  Donna Turgeon Chair edited by Quinn, Bogan, Coan, Hochberg, Lyons, Mikkelsen, Neves, et al.  pub 1998. That is an old one and I know it is somewhat outdated, but that is the last PUBLISHEDversion. Many others have their own views and very probably they are correct, but none has been PUBLISHED. I took mine and numbered the families. Zebinidae has historically been part of the Rissoinidae but is a fairly new family (not in Turgeon), Since it 

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Sorry, Superfamily of Zebinidae is Rissooidea. Carole

On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 08:07:18 PM EDT, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I use Turgeon et al.  (Mollusks second edition, American Fisheries Society Second Edition, Special Publication 26,  Common and Scientific Names of Aquatic Invertebrates.  Donna Turgeon Chair edited by Quinn, Bogan, Coan, Hochberg, Lyons, Mikkelsen, Neves, et al.  pub 1998. That is an old one and I know it is somewhat outdated, but that is the last PUBLISHEDversion. Many others have their own views and very probably they are correct, but none has been PUBLISHED. I took mine and numbered the families. Zebinidae 

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Thank you for helping me with my taxonomy questions. I appreciate your time!
Vicky

On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 8:23 PM [log in to unmask] <
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> Sorry, Superfamily of Zebinidae is Rissooidea.
> Carole
>
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> On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 08:07:18 PM EDT, [log in to unmask] <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> I use Turgeon et al. (Mollusks second edition, American Fisheries Society
> Second Edition, Special Publication 26, Common and Scientific Names of
> Aquatic Invertebrates. Donna Turgeon Chair edited by Quinn, Bogan, Coan,
> Hochberg, Lyons, Mikkelsen, Neves, et al. pub 1998. That is 

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Dear Vickey,

I use

Bouchet et al 2016- REVISED CLASSIFICATION, NOMENCLATOR AND TYPIFICATION OF

GASTROPOD AND MONOPLACOPHORAN FAMILIES, published in MALACOLOGIA, 2017, 61(1–2): 1–526

If you want a copy of the PDF you can send me a private email.

For the latest updates I consult Worms (https://www.marinespecies.org/)and Molluscabase (https://www.molluscabase.org), but it is not possible to change the order of a collection with each new taxonomical insight. 

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Why not use WoRMS?

John

On 3/17/24 10:20 PM, Vicky Wall wrote:
> Thank you for helping me with my taxonomy questions. I appreciate your
> time!
> Vicky
>
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 8:23 PM [log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Sorry, Superfamily of Zebinidae is Rissooidea.
> Carole
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> On Sunday, March 17, 2024 at 08:07:18 PM EDT, [log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> I use Turgeon et al. (Mollusks second edition, American Fisheries
> Society Second Edition, Special Publication 26,  Common and
> Scientific Names of Aquatic Invertebrates.  Donna Turgeon Chair
 

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I tried WoRMS but couldn't find where to navigate to see a listing of
families similar to what is in some of my shell books.
Vicky

On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 8:25 AM John Wolff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Why not use WoRMS?
>
> John
>
> On 3/17/24 10:20 PM, Vicky Wall wrote:
>
> Thank you for helping me with my taxonomy questions. I appreciate your
> time!
> Vicky
>
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 8:23 PM [log in to unmask] <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Sorry, Superfamily of Zebinidae is Rissooidea.
>> Carole
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Dear Vicky:
You can go to the Taxon Tree in MolluscaBase (or WoRMS), but everything is in alphabetical, rather than phylogenetic, order.
https://www.molluscabase.org/aphia.php?p=browser
Bob

On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 09:06:45 AM EDT, Vicky Wall <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I tried WoRMS but couldn't find where to navigate to see a listing of families similar to what is in some of my shell books. Vicky
On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 8:25 AM John Wolff <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 

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I was surprised to see that. An alphabetical listing hardly seems to be
a tree (as listed).

John

On 3/18/24 11:18 AM, Robert Fales wrote:
> Dear Vicky:
>
> You can go to the Taxon Tree in MolluscaBase (or WoRMS), but
> everything is in alphabetical, rather than phylogenetic, order.
>
> https://www.molluscabase.org/aphia.php?p=browser
>
> Bob
>
> On Monday, March 18, 2024 at 09:06:45 AM EDT, Vicky Wall
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>
> I tried WoRMS but couldn't find where to navigate to see a listing of
> families similar to what is in some of my 

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The Bouchet et al. 2017 volume does provide an exhaustive list in taxonomic
order, so it's certainly one good option. As Sylvia noted, there are
constant updates in detail, so you have to pick a point of reference and
stick with it until you have time to revise your overall arrangement.

If anyone needs to purchase a paper copy of the Bouchet et al. 2017
gastropod and monoplacophoran volume, or for that matter of any other
Malacologia back volume, I would be the person to contact. 

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Thank you Dr. Campbell!
Vicky Wall

On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 3:49 PM David Campbell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> The Bouchet et al. 2017 volume does provide an exhaustive list in
> taxonomic order, so it's certainly one good option. As Sylvia noted, there
> are constant updates in detail, so you have to pick a point of reference
> and stick with it until you have time to revise your overall arrangement.
>
> If anyone needs to purchase a paper copy of the Bouchet et al. 2017
> gastropod and monoplacophoran volume, or for that matter of any other
 

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 From my understanding of phylogenetic order, Mollusks are ranked from lowest evolved to most evolved. Or, the dull ones come first and the smartest ones come last. I am sure I will be corrected, but that is what I understand. In the gastropods, at least. So, the limpets are less evolved than the Turrids. Within each group is the Family and then the Genus, then the species. Within the Superfamily, each Family is listed in alphabetical order, then Under the Families, each Genus is in alphabetical order and then within each Genus, the species are listed in alphabetical order. So, 

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Vicky:
Alphabetical order is just that - alphabetical.  Alphabetical order places Heterobranchia before Vetigastropoda; that is not a "phylogenetic" placement.  We can go on and on about this topic, and there will be no consensus.  At some point, you have to pick a system and go with it.  Be assured that whatever you pick, somebody will tell you that you are wrong.
Bob
PS:  If you want the 2017 Bouchet et al. document, you can download it from ResearchGate; Google "Bouchet nomenclator," and find the ResearchGate entry.  It is highly technical and still puts a lot of names in alphabetical 

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"Least evolved" and "most evolved" is problematic to define, though.
Patellogastropod limpets and pulmonate landsnails by definition have had an
equal amount of time to evolve since they split from a common ancestor.
The limpets and the landsnails changed in different ways; one changed some
things more and the other changed other things more. So it does actually
boil down to the order selected by someone. In the case of gastropods, the
modern sequence is largely following Thiele, plus all the changes due to
findings indicating that particular groups are more or less closely related
than Thiele thought.

Regarding alphabetical order or not, many classifications try to reflect history of life. While there *IS* a true history of life (parents have children, ancestors beget descendents) we don't KNOW that truth, so we make our best guess. With new information, we modify our guesse sand classifications change (it's not just to annoy you).
When an ancestor gives rise to two lineages, many criteria could justify which lineage to list first. A convention many classification schemes use now is alphabetical order. But it's just a convention. Your reason to use another order should be fine.
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Thank you for your clear explanation!
Sylvia

Van: Conchologists List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] Namens Pearce,
Timothy
Verzonden: woensdag 20 maart 2024 00:20
Aan: [log in to unmask]
Onderwerp: Re: [CONCH-L] Help with Taxonomic Order of Families

Regarding alphabetical order or not, many classifications try to reflect
history of life. While there *IS* a true history of life (parents have
children, ancestors beget descendents) we don't KNOW that truth, so we make
our best guess. With new information, we modify our guesse sand
classifications change (it's not just to annoy you). 

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She must not have ever visited local markets, as in Fiji and Vanuatu. We
saw many species of mollusks there for sale, for food.
Vicky Wall

On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 9:52 PM Carole Marshall <
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> Hi listers, I was listening to a speaker tonight and she made the
> statement that the shells from the w. Pacific, sold here, were killed for
> their shells. I could not let that pass, and explained that almost all the
> shells brought here had been eaten. I like her so that is about it, but
> then she 

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There's an interesting FaceBook group called "Nautilus, the Blog," whose members would be able to answer these questions from field experience.

Paul Callomon
Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates

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Hello:
Thank you to all the people who helped me contact the curator of LACM.
I will ask them directly.
Best regards and thanks for your consideration,
Juan Francisco.

On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 12:00 AM J.Francisco Araya
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> Hello all:
>
> I am looking for information about a Chilean marine snail that has its
> type specimens deposited in the LACM. I'm wondering if anyone can
> point me in the right direction to ask about this, as I would like to
> get some good images of that species.
> Any help is greatly 

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Dear Jan,
On Curacao it is forbidden to collect Aliger gigas and all corals because of the Cites list, and it is actively checked.
To export other shells from Curacao to another country you need a permit. You can ask it at Carmabi. Collecting live specimens was not allowed, but it was no problem to get a permit for dead specimens from the beach. I had to make a list of species and the number of each species, and these names and numbers were copied in the permit. I also collected some shell grit with micro shells, I listed that 

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Available online at biodiversitylibrary.org: pt.12-15 (1844-1847) - Proceedings of the Zoological Society of London - Biodiversity Heritage Library (biodiversitylibrary.or [1]g) [2] Carl Christensen -----------------------------------------From: "Steve Rosenthal" To: [log in to unmask] Cc: Sent: Thursday February 29 2024 6:22:23AM Subject: [CONCH-L] request for Hanley bivalve paper can anybody send me a user-friendly copy of the below publication? I can find it online on the Biodiversity Heritage Library but I can't figure out how to manipulate it into a size or format I can actually see/read, nor can I visualize the figures (I assume there are figures?). related to that, if anybody out there is 

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thanks, yes that is the same link in my original email, but I still
can't figure out if there are any figures to go with the text? I
assume there were figures in the original paper. If they were in the
linked pages, I can't find them.

On 2/29/24, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Available online at biodiversitylibrary.org:
> pt.12-15 (1844-1847) - Proceedings of the Zoological Society of London
> - Biodiversity Heritage Library (biodiversitylibrary.or [1]g) [2]
> Carl Christensen
>
> -----------------------------------------From: "Steve Rosenthal"
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Cc:
> Sent: Thursday February 29 2024 6:22:23AM
> Subject: [CONCH-L] request 

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The plus sign at the top will allow you to enlarge the image down to a single page. There are no figures that I could find.

John

John and Cheryl Jacobs
President/Editor St. Petersburg Shell Club
COA 2024-2025 Oral/Silent Auction Chairs
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Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 11:21 AM
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Subject: [CONCH-L] request for Hanley bivalve paper 

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thanks, I am on it. Several helpful replies. See posting to follow shortly

On 2/29/24, John Jacobs <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The plus sign at the top will allow you to enlarge the image down to a
> single page. There are no figures that I could find.
>
> John
>
> John and Cheryl Jacobs
> President/Editor St. Petersburg Shell Club
> COA 2024-2025 Oral/Silent Auction Chairs
> Seffner, FL
> [log in to unmask]
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Rosenthal
> Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 11:21 AM
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Thanks to all who responded here or directly to my email.

There are indeed no figures in Hanley's work, there are lines such as
this, eg, for Antigona lacerata:

"Index Test. Sup. t.16 f. 23"

these must be references to Wood's 1828 Supplement to his 1825 Index
testaceologicus

so now if anybody can point me to the figures of Veneridae
(specifically figures 19-28) from the 1828 Supplement, that should do
the trick. 

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If you have questions about Hanley's taxa and his sources, take a look at this 2012 paper in Malacologia:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236174134_The_malacological_works_and_taxa_of_Sylvanus_Hanley_1819-1899
--Alan Kabat

On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 03:53:53 PM EST, steve rosenthal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Thanks to all who responded here or directly to my email.

There are indeed no figures in Hanley's work, there are lines such as
this, eg, for Antigona lacerata: 

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thanks all, got the Hanley work now including the relevant plate

https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/39463517#page/7/mode/1up

…. plate 16 (including figures 19- 23)

On 2/29/24, Alan Kabat <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> If you have questions about Hanley's taxa and his sources, take a look at
> this 2012 paper in Malacologia:
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/236174134_The_malacological_works_and_taxa_of_Sylvanus_Hanley_1819-1899
> --Alan Kabat
>
>
> On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 03:53:53 PM EST, steve rosenthal
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who responded here or directly to my email.
>
> There are indeed no figures in Hanley's work, there are lines such as
> this, eg, 

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John,

Simply put, if you are in the field and you find a shell laying on the ground, intertidally or otherwise pick it up, even on the deck of a boat, it is deemed self collected. Two aspects are involved...you (self) and picked it up (collected).

Yes, when dredging, trawling or trapping shells, you must have been involved in the process that brought the shell to the surface. Not a bystander who reaps the benefits of other's work. 

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John,

Seems to me the best way to test the accuracy/comprehensiveness of your
definition would be to compare it to the definitions of "self-collected" in
the numerous shell show rules across the globe.

Marlo

From: Conchologists List <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of John
Timmerman
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2024 12:32 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [CONCH-L] self-collected

I was recently asked for a definition of a self-collected shell(s). At the
moment I defined "self-collected" as a specimen recovered directly or
indirectly from the environment in which it occurred either by direct
picking by hand and or operating or participation in the operation 

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Again, you were not in the field for your scenario, so it would not be self collected.

On February 18, 2024 12:22:32 PM CST, David Kirsh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>There are certainly gray areas to consider, as John suggests.
>
>
>If someone sends me a ziplock of bottom grit obtained while diving, the micro-shell contents of the bag are all probably unknown to the diver.
>
>
>In some sense the diver has collected all those micro-shells. But I think there’s a case to be made that I collect each specimen —maybe months later—when I examine the grit with magnification.
 

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Hi Rich,

Going to get messy. If picking up a shell on the deck of a boat is “self-collected,” then isn’t picking up a shell discarded in a “dump,” trash heap, or dumpster also “self-collected?” What about collecting shells off stored crab (other) traps. Then, there’re those I collected ex pisce. Did I collect the shell or did the fish? And, when my dive buddy picks up a shell and gives it to me because I’m the collector, is that self-collected or a gift? And, if not, what if she points it out to me and I pick it up? 

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To:
Conchologists List <[log in to unmask]>

I agree with Richard for the most part.  Let me explain:

1. I have a Massive collection I did myself or my mom and dad did with
me.  I was a education and work project.  Wonderful time. South Pacific
Military base.  Ultra Rare species. :-)

2.  When I installed a 300 gallon salt tank (went down during covid -
sad) and used some bags of "Live Sand" 

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On 18-Feb-24 1:52 p.m., [log in to unmask]
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> Going to get messy.  If picking up a shell on the deck of a boat is
> “self-collected,” then isn’t picking up a shell discarded in a “dump,”
> trash heap, or dumpster also “self-collected?”  What about collecting
> shells off stored crab (other) traps.  Then, there’re those I collected
> /ex pisce. //Did I collect the shell or did the fish?  And, when my dive
> buddy picks up a shell and gives it to me because I’m the collector, is
> that self-collected or a gift?  And, if not, what if 

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Good.  Simply putting Shanghai as the origin would be rather misleading as the ocean location from which it was originally collected could be very far away.
On Saturday, February 24, 2024 at 10:19:59 AM EST, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

When I lived in China, I purchased many live shells at wet markets.

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It could very well be you collected a few "wedding shells" or shells
that someone returned to the ocean after a relative died?
Karlynn
NC - USA

On 2/26/2024 12:34 PM, JOHN A CRAMER wrote:
> We went to the 2023 COA in Wilmington (great job, NC club!) and of
> course we wandered around looking for shells. The collection of stuff
> from Kure Beach has been sitting on my desk since then and I finally
> got to it yesterday. I have a true limpet that really seemed out of
> place.  Then I looked at the drupe 

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Those shells were most likely from beach parties, scavenger hunts, or
weddings. It's annoying, but the practice seems to be happening more often
now.
Vicky Wall

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024, 12:47 PM Karlynn Morgan <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> It could very well be you collected a few "wedding shells" or shells that
> someone returned to the ocean after a relative died?
> Karlynn
> NC - USA
> On 2/26/2024 12:34 PM, JOHN A CRAMER wrote:
>
> We went to the 2023 COA in Wilmington (great job, NC club!) and of course
> we wandered around looking for 

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Agreed, and it is not just anecdotal records or word-of-mouth (as in
here on Conch-L)

those of us who spend time on iNaturalist either posting or browsing
"observations" , or as identifiers of the taxa in said observations,
can attest to the apparently increasing frequency. There was one
stretch of a week or two some months ago, when every day brought to light
several new or older databased observations of Bractechlamys vexillum
(an Indo-Pacific species) turning up all along the east coast of the
USA. 

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Any shell shops blown away in recent weather related incidences? Carole

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On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 1:23 PM, steve rosenthal<[log in to unmask]> wrote: Agreed, and it is not just anecdotal records or word-of-mouth (as in
here on Conch-L)

those of us who spend time on iNaturalist either posting or browsing
"observations" , or as identifiers of the taxa in said observations,
can attest to the apparently increasing frequency. There was one
stretch of a week or two some months ago, when every day brought to light
several new or older databased observations of Bractechlamys vexillum
(an Indo-Pacific 

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Wedding shells... A common disturbance in our SW shores too. In answer to
Steve Rosenthal's observation on whether those shells pose hazards to
research deriving from professional collection databases, my "classic"
comment is that it's not the salting of local beaches with obviously remote
shells that poses problems, but the salting of local beaches with species
from, say, only slightly more remote areas. For instance, in SW Florida,
salting the beaches with shells from Florida's east coast or the Keys may
induce a collection person to believe this could be a new arrival in the
local area. In other words, 

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Several years ago I found a Strombus alatus and several singles of Argopecten gibbus together on the south shore of Raritan Bay, NJ.

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On Monday, February 26, 2024, 1:23 PM, steve rosenthal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Agreed, and it is not just anecdotal records or word-of-mouth (as in
here on Conch-L) 

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I had to break the (bad) news (gently) several times to people who brought mystery shells to the museum where I worked. They had been unable to find the prize in any local shell guides. Some had concluded they must have a species new to science. Some of those SW Pacific shells were even acid polished with trimmed lips! 

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to follow-up to John's post, his story about the Cassis cornuta
reminded me of the following description that appeared in an item
recently offered on ebay by a well-known dealer

Up for auction are nine broken junonias that were collected over
several years on the beaches of Sanibel Island. They would make great
jewelry! Or you could have fun with your family and friends by tossing
one into the ocean and watch their reaction when they find their first
junonia! All are badly broken and worn, but they are real junonia
shells! 

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This reminds me of the endless requests I get in my day job to confirm all the "meteorites" people are tripping over in their back yard. They really don't like taking no for an answer.

Kevin M. Czaja
Assistant Curator
Mineralogical & Geological Museum at Harvard
Earth and Planetary Science Department
24 Oxford Street, Cambridge, MA 02138
617-495-3719; [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
website: http://www.geomus.fas.harvard.edu<http://www.geomus.fas.harvard.edu/> 

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"Meteorites" were the most common specimen I looked at. I am no expert on meteorites but know iron pyrite, coal cinders, glass slag, etc.

Yes, and don’t forget “but its magnetic!” 😉

From: Conchologists List <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of John Timmerman
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 11:59 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [CONCH-L] Someone salting Kure Beach, NC?

"Meteorites" were the most common specimen I looked at. I am no expert on meteorites but know iron pyrite, coal cinders, glass slag, etc.

Thank you all  My sharp eyed friend Ariane saw a Cyphoma I had not seen. Dr. Lorenz identified it as Cyphoma allenae from Pompano. Always something interesting happening.Carole

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WoRMS has that nme as a synonym of *C. gibbosum*

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Rich,
Thank you for the information. It is greatly appreciated. Hope this finds
you well

Bob

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> Bob,
>
> The genus Guamampa according to Schileyko includes the species bulbulus,
> gloriosa, tuba and zodiacus (I will have to double check this as I am not
> near my library right now).
>
> Various authors have also classified these species in the genera
> Tricheulota and Planispira in prior years.
>
> MolluscaBase/WoRMS still classifies bulbulus in the genus Tricheulota
> along with the similar T. zodiacus among others.
 

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I believe a "midden" is a pile of shells discarded after having been eaten. Known also as a "kitchen midden".

Paul Callomon
Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates

I believe that shells collected on the deck of a scallop boat as you describe are self-collected, as well as shells collected from a scallop dump or midden. If, for example, you are on a group trip and there is a dredging event where the group participants take turns dividing the shells from the dredging, I also believe they are self-collected. Also, if I see a shell and show it to someone else that picks it up, I believe they have a self-collected shell.
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Years ago, there was a submersible pilot for Harbor Branch. Had an incredible collection of shells obtained from those dives. Always won the self collected category. Unfair to the beachcombers, most certainly, but self collected, definitely.

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Greg, I'm a land snail guy, but also a retired lawyer and a nerd on the Rules of Zoological Nomenclature.Your mention of S. d. k. ethylae raised a question in my mind: was the name published as an infrasubspecific taxon, thus raising the question of whether the name was properly published for purposes of zoological nomenclature (see Art. 45.5 and 45.6 of the Code). The name doesn't show up in MolluscaBase. Carl Christensen -----------------------------------------From: "Greg Curry Sr" To: [log in to unmask] Cc: Sent: Wednesday February 14 2024 2:01:41PM Subject: [CONCH-L] TOWNSEND COLLECTION Hi Everybody I'm looking for information on the Ethel L 

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Hi Mr. Carl
I will need to look up the codes and read them but here's what I have....
Aurinia kieneri ethelea subspecies
The Nautilus Vol67 pg1
and in this paper it says the holotype was in the Townsend Collection..
Thanks for your help and information
Greg
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Holotypes are supposed to be deposited into institutions like museums, not kept in a private collection.

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Hi Mr. Carl
I will need to look up the codes and read them but here's what I have....
Aurinia kieneri ethelea subspecies
The Nautilus Vol67 pg1
and in this paper it says the holotype was in the Townsend Collection..
Thanks for your help and information
Greg
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Here's the original description -- it was a subspecies:
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/8514633
Subsequent illustration of the radula, also referencing the Townsend collection:
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/10576549
Somewhat surprising that the holotype is elusive, given the popularity of this family.
--Alan Kabat

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Hi Mr. Carl
I will need to look up the codes and read them but here's what I have....
Aurinia kieneri ethelea subspecies
The Nautilus Vol67 pg1
and in this paper it says the holotype was in the Townsend Collection..
Thanks for your help and information
Greg
On Thursday, February 

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Follow-up -- for what it is worth, since Pilsbry was a co-author of this new species, I suspect that the ANSP should at least have the radula slide! 

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Here's the original description -- it was a subspecies:
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/8514633
Subsequent illustration of the radula, also referencing the Townsend collection:
https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/10576549
Somewhat surprising that the holotype is elusive, given the popularity of this family.
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My understanding is that it is at the ANSP

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Follow-up -- for what it is worth, since Pilsbry was a co-author of this new species, I suspect that the ANSP should at least have the radula slide!

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The Academy has two paratypes of Aurinia kieneri ethelae, including ANSP 196801, the one figured in the original description as pl. 2, figs. 3, 3a

Paul Callomon
Collection Manager, Malacology and General Invertebrates

Hi All Just wanted to Thank everybody for all this great help I rec'd....
Mr. Paul if ok I will email you directly ..
But before I go I have a question that has confused me for a long time.. Being an amateur I don't understand why a shell that has papers and a holotype and paratypes is not accept in Worms or other databases ?
Best Regards
Greg
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The species name has the qualifications to be a legally available name.
However, the databases often also include judgement as to whether the name
is different enough from other forms to be worth using. Otherwise, it may
just be listed as a synonym.

Although depositing a type in a museum is strongly recommended, and often
required by a publication, it is not absolutely required to make a name
legal. Homo sapiens is a classic example where no type specimen was
designated, but there is not much uncertainty about the identity of the
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Not to derail this interesting discussion, but there is a type specimen of Homo sapiens -- Linnaeus himself!
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260337719_Who_is_the_type_of_Homo_sapiens

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/297545904_Know_thyself_Responsible_science_and_the_lectotype_of_Homo_sapiens_Linnaeus_1758

Unfortunately for those who need to examine the lectotype, it is buried in Uppsala Cathedral.

Spamer's 1999 paper has this:
The lectotype of Homo sapiens had previously been selected, by Stearn (1959:4): "Since for nomenclatorial purposes the specimen most carefully studied and recorded by the author is accepted as the type, clearly Linnaeus himself, who was much addicted to autobiography, must stand as the type of his Homo sapiens"', which is all that Stearn had to say to select Linnaeus 

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Bravo, Marlo - and kudos to John Slapcinsky for the live animal image.

In its restricted habitat, this is one of Florida's most characteristic
gastropods.

Thanks for giving this species the respect it warrants!

Harry

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As has become expected, nice job, Marlo (and Steve).

The late Richard Johnson (1964) provided a biobibliography on the
eponymous Brahmin

Johnson, R.I., 1964. The recent Mollusca of Augustus Addison Gould.
/United States National Museum Bulletin 239/: v + 182.
<https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/page/7892491>.

Harry

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Marlo, we have specimens of P. trilineata from the Panama City area at 24-26mm. Jim Bru8nner

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Going in the other direction, i have fresh appearing single valves
from the beach in Cape Charles, Virginia.

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> Marlo, we have specimens of P. trilineata from the Panama City area at
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Thanks Jim and Steve. Updated to reflect your comments. Pandora trilineata <https://olram9.wixsite.com/letstalkseashells/copy-of-bivalve-template-107?lightbox=dataItem-j77g2tj0>

Marlo

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Going in the other direction, i have fresh appearing single valves from the beach in Cape Charles, Virginia.

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Great shots of this Atlantic gem.  Thank you for sharing.

Tom E

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Great shots of this Atlantic gem.  Thank you for sharing.

Tom E

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Reminds me of Umbonium vestiarium, as pictured on the back cover of the latest American Conchologist.Alle Aigen
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Great shots of this Atlantic gem.  Thank you for sharing.

Tom E

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Tegula fasciata (Born, 1778) 

 

Marlo

 
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Thank you, Marlo!

Nice presentation, thanks, Marlo!

You nailed it/them.

Thanks,
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Nicely done, thank you and Happy New Year!

Well done, Marlo.

The Ft. Pierce Inlet specimen must have been a challenge at first, but
it helps demonstrate how much your other salients are of a help in
understanding the identification. Although the narrower spire angle of
this shell is accentuated by a "growth scar" about a half whorl before
the aperture, the shell is nonetheless notably atypical. 

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Excellent as usual, Marlo!

You continue to raise the profile of the marine micromollusks of FL,
which often live in adjacent Carolinian/Caribbean areas - a job that
certainly needs doing.

Speaking of which, Helmer Odé was a man before his time! I cited no less
than 22 papers by him in Lee (2009), and every years that passes sees
his contributions gaining currency. 

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Hi Marlo,

Thanks for the great treatments of these four Floridian species!

Best wishes,

José

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Dear Tim, we did discuss a trade a while back. I only wanted the Pectens in exchange for shells with data. Guess another project took you away as then I didn't hear from you. I am still interested in those. Carole Marshall

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Thanks Marlo!

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Shellers from the Past and Present (Conchology.be) doesn't have much either
https://www.conchology.be/?t=9001&id=13753

Thanks, Worth a couple of sentences!!

Hi Tom,

Ken passed away in November. That’s all I have.

John

John and Cheryl Jacobs

President/Editor St. Petersburg Shell Club

COA 2024-2025 Oral/Silent Auction Chairs

Seffner, FL

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Thanks, Worth a couple of sentences!!

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Was he a member of your club? I can make shit up, but need a few facts.

Ken was an active exhibitor in Florida shell shows and had an interest in Conidae and Cypraeidae.

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Was he a member of your club?  I can make shit up, but need a few facts.

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Ken was an active exhibitor in Florida shell shows and had an interest in Conidae and Cypraeidae.
 
Rich
 
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Hi Tom,
Ken passed away in November.  That’s all I have.
 
John
 
John and Cheryl Jacobs
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Ken was an active exhibitor in Florida shell shows and had an interest in Conidae and Cypraeidae.On January 25, 2024 5:50:23 PM EST, "thomas nerite.com" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Was he a member of your club?  I can make shit up, but need a few facts.From: Conchologists List <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of John Jacobs <[log in to unmask]>Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 2:49 PMTo: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>Subject: Re: [CONCH-L] Kenneth Brown Hi Tom,Ken passed away in November.  That’s all I have. John John and Cheryl JacobsPresident/Editor St. Petersburg Shell ClubCOA 2024-2025 Oral/Silent Auction Chairs
  

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Rich,

Every little bit helps, thsank you.

Tom

Hi Tom, I remember competing against Mr Brown at several shell shows In Broward and Melbourne. I might be able to find a pic. I remember a very quiet nice man who was always looking to improve his exhibits.
Sheila

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Thanks, anyone know his birth date?

He's been a member of COA since 1995

Linda

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> Ken was an active exhibitor in Florida shell shows and had an interest in
> Conidae and Cypraeidae.
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No, not a member of the St. Pete club.

John and Cheryl Jacobs

President/Editor St. Petersburg Shell Club

COA 2024-2025 Oral/Silent Auction Chairs

Seffner, FL

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Was he a member of your club? I can make shit up, but need a few facts.

Sorry if I'm being dense, here, but does anyone have access to his obituary?  That should have some info.

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Can't find one anywhere....

Try the Femorale web site. They have a nice selection listed. http://www.femorale.com/shellphotos/thumbpage.asp?family=cerionidae

Whatever happened to the excellent online Cerion resource that I think was hosted by the Smithsonian?

Cerion Research | Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History (si.edu) <https://naturalhistory.si.edu/research/invertebrate-zoology/research/cerion-research>

Marlo

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Can anyone give me the name of a source on identifying cerion shells?

Emeritus Professor of Physics

Oglethorpe University, Atlanta, GA

ebooks at

https://www.smashwords.com/books/search?query=John+Cramer

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Yes -- but there formerly was also an online database on that web page -- that is what is now offline.

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Cerion Research | Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History (si.edu)

 

Marlo

 

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Het information about the Cerions from the Netherlands Antilles on Femorale
is outdated. See HARASEWYCH, M.G., 2015. Systematics and phylogeography of
Cerion sensu stricto (Pulmonata: Cerionidae) from Aruba, Curaçao and
Bonaire. — Journal of Molluscan Studies 81(1): 66-84.
doi.org/10.1093/mollus/eyu062.

Sylvia van Leeuwen

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Anne, I can barely stand it. When I was studying the Pectens, Dave was so supportive and sent me so many Pecten papers and later we exchanged so much information. Harry, I do not know how I will do without his insight on the Peanut Island fauna. And Alan gave many programs to Palm Beach and Broward shell clubs. My heart hurts. 

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Sorry - I did not provide a contact.  If you can share a copy of the article referenced below, usefales"at"verizon"dot"netThanks
Bob Fales

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CONCH-Lers:
If anyone has access to an e-version of the following article that they would be willing to share, I would much appreciate it.  Thanks.
Cox, L.R. 1960. Thoughts on the classification of the Bivalvia. Proceeding of the Malacological Society of London (now Journal of Molluscan Studies) 34(2):60-88.
Bob FalesEdison, NJ
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Copy of article received - CONCH-L is the best!
Bob Fales

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Bob Fales

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Hi Bret,
send me your address.
Constantine Mifsud,
5, Triq ir-Rghajja,
Rabat RBT 2486,
Malta
Europe EU

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> HiBret,
> here is one.
> Constantine Mifsud,
> Malta
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 4:22 PM Bret Raines <
> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Hello,
>>
>> Would anyone happen to have pdf copies of the following:
>>
>> Rubio F. & Rolán E. (2020). New species of the genus Ammonicera
>> Vayssière, 1893 (family Omalogyridae). Gloria Maris. 59(3): 108-118.
>>
>> and
>>
>> Wiedrick 

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Maybe the one in the Strandloper sent to San Diego Shell Club members
recently?

I re-sent it to you a minute ago.

Robyn Waayers

On Monday, January 15, 2024, Linda Powers <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Dear Listers,
>
> I recently read a wonderful article about xenophora, detailing in certain
> regions they pick up various colored rocks, etc. I can't find the article
> now. Does anyone have a link to it?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Linda Powers
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Probably not the article you're thinking of but related. A Cretaceous
fossil Xenophora that cemented heavy rocks to its shell.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/1306922?seq=1

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 8:14 AM Linda Powers <[log in to unmask]>
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> Dear Listers,
>
> I recently read a wonderful article about xenophora, detailing in certain
> regions they pick up various colored rocks, etc. I can't find the article
> now. Does anyone have a link to it?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Linda Powers
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It was the one Robyn referred to in the Strandloper.

Thank you everyone!

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 2:33 PM G Herbert <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> Probably not the article you're thinking of but related. A Cretaceous
> fossil Xenophora that cemented heavy rocks to its shell.
> https://www.jstor.org/stable/1306922?seq=1
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 8:14 AM Linda Powers <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Listers,
>>
>> I recently read a wonderful article about xenophora, detailing in certain
>> regions they pick up various colored rocks, etc. I can't find the article
>> now. Does anyone have a link 

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Thank you Karlynn. Now, the hard part begins. Trying to get along without his knowledge, guidance and insight. No more questions with answers coming back linked to papers and more papers to clarify. No more excitement of sending a jar of deep water grunge and getting back a list of 150 species he found, no more grumpiness as he points out I already clarified that and sends me my own e mails. 💔 

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I’m wondering if there’s a list of the species he named and those that honor his name in some form ?

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Subject: [CONCH-L] Obituary for Harry Lee

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Hay Steve,

A list of the species named by and for Harry Lee can be found on the Poppe web site at: https://www.conchology.be/?t=9001&id=23199
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Harry George Lee &#124; Shellers From the Past and Present<https://www.conchology.be/?t=9001&id=23199>
Conchology, Inc. is the world's leading seashell company. With over 172,000 shells for sale. With seashell related information for expert and amateur collectors.
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Also,* Ensis leei *M. Huber, 2015

Vicky Wall

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 2:51 PM thomas nerite.com <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hay Steve,
>
> A list of the species named by and for Harry Lee can be found on the Poppe
> web site at: https://www.conchology.be/?t=9001&id=23199
> <https://www.conchology.be/?t=9001&id=23199>
> Harry George Lee &#124; Shellers From the Past and Present
> <https://www.conchology.be/?t=9001&id=23199>
> Conchology, Inc. is the world's leading seashell company. With over
> 172,000 shells for sale. With seashell related information for expert and
> amateur collectors.
> www.conchology.be
>
>
> Tom E
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> *From:* Conchologists List 

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Dear John and All List Servers,

So sorry to read this very sad news! ! My heartfelt condolences go to his wife and family, colleagues in Gainesville and all those privileged to know and work with Harry all these years! He was always a steadfast beacon of knowledge way beyond North American borders! Will very much Harry! 

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We Love You, Harry!

Oh no! What bad and sad news.
Not only has a monument to malacology left us, but also a friend, and a
friend we could count on.
My most sincere condolences to the family.
The year 2024 is off to a really bad start!

Le lun. 8 janv. 2024 à 22:14, John Jacobs <[log in to unmask]> a
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Harry was a friend and mentor... Thank you Harry for all the support over the years. 

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 03:28:04 PM CST, Adrienne Jochum <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear John and All List Servers,

So sorry to read this very sad news! ! My heartfelt condolences go to his wife and family, colleagues in Gainesville and all those privileged to know and work with Harry all these years! He was always a steadfast beacon of knowledge way beyond North American borders! Will very much Harry! 

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A gentleman and a true scholar of the first order. One of our deepest fountains of malacological knowledge, historical and modern. A shocking and unexpected loss.

Harry was Williams College class of 1962. As a Williams College faculty member, it was a further special privilege to correspond with him all these years. 

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I think he was a friend and mentor to all of us. He certainly was to me. A very great loss!

Emeritus Professor of PhysicsOglethorpe University, Atlanta, GAebooks at
https://www.smashwords.com/books/search?query=John+Cramerpaperback books at
https://www.lulu.com/shop/search.ep?keyWords=john+a.+cramer&type=&pn=2

On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 04:38:18 PM EST, Bret Raines <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Harry was a friend and mentor... Thank you Harry for all the support over the years.  

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Terribly sorry

John

On 1/08/24 4:14 PM, John Jacobs wrote:
>
> I just found out that Harry Lee passed away this morning.  Don’t have
> any further information.
>
> John
>
> John and Cheryl Jacobs
>
> President/Editor St. Petersburg Shell Club
>
> COA 2024-2025 Oral/Silent Auction Chairs
>
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A terrible loss! Harry, may you rest in peace. You are greatly missed!

On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 4:53 PM John Wolff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Terribly sorry
>
> John
>
> On 1/08/24 4:14 PM, John Jacobs wrote:
>
> I just found out that Harry Lee passed away this morning. Don’t have any
> further information.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> John and Cheryl Jacobs
>
> President/Editor St. Petersburg Shell Club
>
> COA 2024-2025 Oral/Silent Auction Chairs
>
> Seffner, FL
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Terrible news. He regularly worked at the Florida Museum until his stroke last month. We benefited from his knowledge, friendship, advise, specimens, and support over many decades. He donated his amazing collection and library to the museum as well; it is now almost entirely curated and online. Gustav

Gustav Paulay
Florida Museum of Natural History 

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agreed.

those of us who still get out to collect on the US East Coast will
think of him every time we see one of our ubiquitous razor clams,
Ensis leei

On 1/8/24, Andre Poremski <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> A terrible loss! Harry, may you rest in peace. You are greatly missed!
>
> On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 4:53 PM John Wolff <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Terribly sorry
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 1/08/24 4:14 PM, John Jacobs wrote:
>>
>> I just found out that Harry Lee passed away this morning. Don’t have any
>> further information.
>>
 

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Today we all lost a great friend but I lost the man who helped me grew so much... I will miss him so much.

Regards
Greg Curry Sr (beechnutkw)
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 04:49:36 PM EST, worldwide <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Anne,

My condolences to Kitty, Harry's family, to you and David, and everyonewho has had the privilege of knowing and working with Harry over theyears. 

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No!

Dear Rich,

You summed it up beautifully. What an honor and privilege it has been for me to have known him. There will never be another Harry. This is truly a sad and dark day for us all. I can’t believe it!

Amy

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Such sad news. Harry always knew the answer or where to find it. I think Paul Callaman’s comment is right on. RIP Harry Lee we all will miss you.
Sheila

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On Jan 8, 2024, at 5:59 PM, Amelia Ann Dick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:


Dear Rich,

You summed it up beautifully. What an honor and privilege it has been for me to have known him. There will never be another Harry. This is truly a sad and dark day for us all. I can’t believe it! 

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No, no, no, . . . . . 
Harry, I hope that you are shelling on all those other worlds in the universe.

Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS

On Monday, January 8, 2024, 7:13 PM, Sheila Nugent <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Such sad news. Harry always knew the answer or where to find it.  I think Paul Callaman’s comment is right on. RIP Harry Lee we all will miss you.Sheila  

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