If I am following the location of the "flank" marking correctly the
following bird may show some, albeit in a different plumage.
http://www.mangoverde.com/wbg/picpages/pic62-65-18.html
I believe there are other images that show as well.
http://www.mangoverde.com/wbg/spec/spec62-65.html
Cheers,
Bill Hull
Cincinnati, OH, USA
http://www.mangoverde.com/wbg/
On 8/22/06, Fabrice <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I hope I'm not too boaring with my sandpipers....
>
> I send more pictures on
> http://ar.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/fabrschmitt/my_photos
>
> Cameron
>
> "In fact, since Westerns molt much earlier than Semipalmated
> >> the fact that it has retained alternate plumage is a strike against
> >> Western. I would expect that if a Western should ever make it to Chile
> >> that it would be in complete basic plumage before it arrived."
> We are only 20 of august, that's not so late...I don't think that all the
> Western are in complete wintering plumage at this time, do they ??
> This bird perhaps spend the northern summer here.... as some yellowlegs and
> others shorebirds (I don't think that the 250 Baird's Sandpiper are
> "arriving" bird as I didn't see any inland even in Peru where I've been 3
> weeks ago). I think that these birds spend the northern summer here.
>
> "Also bird #2 seem to show a few faint markings on the
> >> hindmost portion of the flanks. While Westerns show chevron shaped
> >> marking all down the flanks in alternate plumage, in basic plumage this
> >> area in unmarked. In my experience, thin shaft-streaks on the rear of
> >> the
> >> flanks not connected to more markings along the rest of the flanks
> >> strongly suggests Semipalmated Sandpiper."
> Yes, this bird have clearly markings on the hindmost portion of the flanks,
> but also on the flanks (see the new pic Sandpip2-f).
> I'm very surprise to learn that the Semipalmated sandpiper could also have
> these kind of markings ! I didn't know it, and would like to see some
> pictures of these kind of birds... do you have some ?
>
> by,
> Fabrice
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fabrice" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 2:12 PM
> Subject: [SHOREBIRDS] Fw: Sandpipers
>
>
> > Hi everybody
> >
> > not so easy to be sure on the identification of these sandpipers.
> >
> > I send you the last comments I received (don't hesitate to send the next
> > ones directly on the list)
> >
> > Sandpiper2 is most definitely a Western. The drooped tip gives it away.
> > Sandpiper1 also strikes me as being too "robust breasted" to be a
> > Semipalmated, thus making it a male C.Mauri judging by the tapered short
> > bill.
> > Thomas J. Dunkerton
> >
> > Fabrice - after seeing the additional photos on Yahoo, I would agree with
> > Brian that they are both Westerns. The frontal view of the tip of the
> > beak
> > on Sandp1 is too narrow for a Semipalm.
> > Bob Wallace
> >
> > So, 3 of you think that both are Western.
> >
> > And I just received the following message who is also very interesting
> > !!!!
> >
> > all my best,
> > Fabrice
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Cameron Cox" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:21 PM
> > Subject: Sandpipers
> >
> >
> >> Fabrice,
> >>
> >> I believe that both birds posted on your web site are Semipalmated
> >> Sandpipers. While I agree that the second bird strongly suggests Western
> >> at first glance, I believe it is a long-billed female Semipalmated. It is
> >> not well known, but many female Semipalmated Sandpipers can have quite
> >> long bills and as their bill get longer they also show a finer tip and
> >> may
> >> even droop a bit. I worked on a project banding Semipalmated Sandpipers
> >> in the Delaware bay and we caught many of these extremely long-billed
> >> Semipalmateds.
> >>
> >> Both birds in your photos show the compact look and evenly rounded belly
> >> of Semipalmated. Some Semipalmateds can be quite bright, so the fact
> >> that
> >> there is a bit of rufous on the second bird does not eliminate
> >> Semipalmated. In fact, since Westerns molt much earlier than Semipalmated
> >> the fact that it has retained alternate plumage is a strike against
> >> Western. I would expect that if a Western should ever make it to Chile
> >> that it would be in complete basic plumage before it arrived.
> >>
> >> A minor point, but the color of both of these birds looks more like
> >> Semipalmated. They are both a fairly soft grey. Westerns in fresh basic
> >> plumage usually are slightly darker, a silvery or gunmetal grey, but fade
> >> fairly rapidly. Also bird #2 seem to show a few faint markings on the
> >> hindmost portion of the flanks. While Westerns show chevron shaped
> >> marking all down the flanks in alternate plumage, in basic plumage this
> >> area in unmarked. In my experience, thin shaft-streaks on the rear of
> >> the
> >> flanks not connected to more markings along the rest of the flanks
> >> strongly suggests Semipalmated Sandpiper. Which I would expect would be
> >> far more likely to turn up in Chile anyway.
> >>
> >> Cameron Cox
> >> Seattle, Washington
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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