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And wasn't Kingsbury's Atlas of Indiana SYMAP based?

David Cobb

At 12:33 PM 3/31/2004 -0500, you wrote:

 > Hello Darius:
 >      Jim is quite right about the SYMAP atlases.  I can remember going
 > to the University's one and only computer center, feeding in my cards,
 > and getting my first SYMAP map sometime in the middle 60's.  Bill Loy
 > did several SYMAP atlases in his work-up to the Atlas of Oregon.  These
 > were done for planning and teaching purposes, not for publication.  I do
 > not think any of Dr. Loy's SYMAP alone atlases were published.  I do
 > remember, and have a copy of: William G. Loy. “A Preliminary Atlas of
 > Oregon.”  It was published by the Geography Department, University of
 > Oregon, in 1972.  It is a 11 by 8 ˝ inch, around 162-page, plastic
 > spiral bound paperback book. In the rear pocket it has a county boundary
 > overlay sheet, titled ‘computer generalized map.’  BUT this atlas has
 > both computer and student-drafted maps, so it does not fall within the
 > critera.
 >      Several other Geographers were working with line-printer programs
 > and produced maps at about that time. I have seen published line-printer
 > map atlases from the University of Alabama and another University, maybe
 > Oklahoma or Nebraska.  In the University of Georgia Map Collection's
 > holdings, after a quick search, I find Neal Lineback's "The Map Abstract
 > of Criminal-Justice Information: Alabama." University of Alabama Press,
 > 1976.  All the maps are SYMAP computer maps.
 >       Most of the SYMAP based atlases I have seen have at least one
 > drafted map which is to be used as a base map.
 >
 > Johnnie Sutherland
 > Map Collection
 > University of Georgia Libraries
 >
 >
 > James R. Carter wrote:
 >
 >> Darius, et.al.:  I remember a number of atlases that were done with
 >> SYMAP or similar line-printer programs.  Now which of these if any were
 >> published is another question, but I think a few such atlases were.  I
 >> seem to remember that some such atlases were based on a State of the
 >> U.S., probably published by a geographer working at a state university.
 >> Can anyone lay their hands on one of these?  They would have been done
 >> in the late 60's or more likely in the 70's.
 >>
 >> And, I remember Fred Broome of the U.S. Census Bureau showing me a
 >> computer generated atlas of Census data.  I am guessing that would be in
 >> the late 1970's.  The graphics were generated in COM - computer on
 >> microfilm.  The thing I remember about this atlas is that the colors did
 >> not come out as they wanted for in one case the graded colors could not
 >> be distinguished.   But, this was published in color and in that regard
 >> it was first for me.
 >>
 >> I find it hard to believe that 1984 was the date of the first computer
 >> generated atlas.  Tobler produced a computer generated movie in the
 >> 70's, or earlier, and then Moellering produced his movie of traffic
 >> accidents in I think the early 1970's.  Both of these were done by
 >> filming off Tektronics vector displays.  Of course, these were done in
 >> black and white--well, really in light gray and dark gray.
 >>
 >> I draw my recollections from North America, but I know some Europeans
 >> were doing good work in those early years.
 >>
 >> I would not wager that the first computer-based atlas was as late as
 >> 1984.  I would think that first atlas might have been published in the
 >> late 1960s.  It would not have been very elegant, but it would have been
 >> unique.
 >>
 >> Jim Carter
 >>
 >> At  3/30/2004, you wrote:
 >>
 >>> -------- Original Message --------
 >>> Subject: The first-ever computer generated atlas?
 >>> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:56:50 +0100
 >>> From: Bartlett, Darius <[log in to unmask]>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> ------------------
 >>> Dear friends,
 >>>
 >>> Please can anyone help settle a (friendly) argument I am having with a
 >>> colleague? We are trying to identify what was the world's first-ever
 >>> published atlas, where the maps were created entirely by means of
 >>> computerised methods?
 >>>
 >>> I remember being told, many, many years ago, that "Agriculture in
 >>> Ireland :
 >>> a census atlas" by A.A. Horner, J.A. Walsh and J.A. Williams
 >>> (Univesity College Dublin, Department of Geography, 1984), ISBN/ISSN
 >>> 0901120812, was a prime candidate for the title. My colleague
thinks there
 >>> were almost certainly earlier ones, but which and where?
 >>>
 >>> Note we are talking here about ENTIRELY computer-generated mapping.
So, by
 >>> this definition, Perring and Waters' "Atlas of the British Flora"
 >>> would not
 >>> count, innovative and notable as it was, because this used computers to
 >>> overprint crosses (X) corresponding to the thematic data (grid points
 >>> where
 >>> relevant vegetation occurred) on top of outline maps of Britain and
 >>> Ireland
 >>> that had been created and printed by  more traditional means.
 >>>
 >>> I look forward to your suggestions and ideas!
 >>>
 >>> Best regards
 >>>
 >>> Darius Bartlett
 >>
 >>
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 >> Dr. James R. "Jim" Carter, Professor, Geography/Geology Department
 >> and Graduate Coordinator, Hydrogeology Masters Program
 >> Illinois State University, Normal, IL 61790-4400 USA
 >>                      -- http://www.ilstu.edu/~jrcarter --
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 >
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