Dear Harry & Richard,
Thank you for the tons of info on my mystery Pachychilus glaphyrus
specimen. As Rich said, I now have enough info to start a Honduran Jute
Snail Winery, but only if I can get enough specimens. Or maybe I could
start an ancient Mayan Burial Salon and do burials with the snail, like
ancient times.
You know that we have a Banana Slug Wine person here in Huboldt
County, California, so this isn't to far fetched.
As a dear friend and ancient scholar also said, "Becareful what you
ask for... you may get it."... and a lot more.
Thanks to all.
Dan
p.s. Wait for the Banana Slug Derby.
>Harry et al.:
>
>I must have missed a link here somewhere. How did this discussion about a
>Morelet species get off onto von Martens and Fischer & Crosse? I think
>Dan really wanted a name for his species, not a dissertation on the
>freshwater snails of Central America. Now you have him all excited about
>going and collecting them to make wine! Somehow I think that prospect has
>limited commercial possibilities. I would guess starting with snails is
>about like having a possum fall into the still.
>
>I had no trouble finding a subspecies figured on the von Martens site
>given by Rich. Just don't understand how it came up. I certainly cannot
>help with the dating of Fischer & Crosse except from the literature as I
>possess no non-marine literature of that magnitude.
>
>Dick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Harry G. Lee
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Pachychilus glaphyrum?
>
>
> Dear Dan (et al.) - I ain't finished yet; the can of worms is still open,
>
> The other benchmark monograph on this nonmarine fauna is the three
>volume masterwork of Fischer and Crosse:
>
> Fischer, P. and H. Crosse, 1870 [according to the title page].
>Recherches zoologiques pour servir à l'histoire de la faune de l'Amérique
>Centrale et du Mexique. Septième partie. Études sur les mollusques
>terrestres et fluviatiles du Mexique et du Guatemala Septième partie.Tome
>premier. Ministre de l'Instruction Publique, Paris. pp. 1-699 + 701-702
>(table des matières [1878]). [This may have been published in parts].
>
> Fischer, P. and H. Crosse, 1900 [according to the title page].
>Recherches zoologiques pour servir à l'histoire de la faune de l'Amérique
>Centrale et du Mexique. Septième partie. Études sur les mollusques
>terrestres et fluviatiles du Mexique et du Guatemala Septième partie.Tome
>second. Ministre de l'Instruction Publique, Paris. pp. 1-731. [I think
>this was published in parts, but my notes are incomplete on the
>chronology].
>
> Fischer, P. and H. Crosse, 1900 [according to the title page].
>Recherches zoologiques pour servir à l'histoire de la faune de l'Amérique
>Centrale et du Mexique. Septième partie. Atlas. Ministre de l'Instruction
>Publique, Paris. 72 pls. with facing captions. [I think this was published
>in parts, but my notes are incomplete on the chronology; in my copy plates
>no. 1-3, 6-7, 10-11, 18, 20-21, 23-24, 35, 38-42, 44-46, 48, 51-72 are in
>color - 53, 54, and 58 being facsimiles].
>
> Pachychilus glaphyrus (Morelet, 1849) is depicted full-sized on pl. 53;
>figs. 1, 1a. On pp. 351-357 of Tome 2 F. & C. treat this species and state
>(p. 357) iterate five synonyms, and state that the illustrated form,
>originally named Melania immanis Morelet, 1851, attains (my translation
>from the French) over 100 mm ... it is only in eastern Asia that one can
>find melanians as notable.
>
> Unlike Richie, I could find nothing on the Internet to allow viewing of
>any of the contents - or, for that matter, help pin down actual dates of
>publication of F. & C.
>
> I think I got my copy from Dick Petit. Maybe he can illuminate us
>somewhat on the bibliophily.
>
> Harry
>
>
> Harry G. Lee
> Suite 500
> 1801 Barrs St.
> Jacksonville, FL 32204
> USA
> Voice: 904-384-6419
> Fax: 904-388-6750
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><DIV><FONT size=2>Harry et al.:</FONT></DIV>
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><DIV><FONT size=2>I must have missed a link here somewhere. How did this
>discussion about a Morelet species get off onto von Martens and Fischer &
>Crosse? I think Dan really wanted a name for his species, not a
>dissertation on the freshwater snails of Central America. Now you have him all
>excited about going and collecting them to make wine! Somehow I think
>that
>prospect has limited commercial possibilities. I would guess starting
>with
>snails is about like having a possum fall into the still.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2> </FONT><FONT size=2></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>I had no trouble finding a subspecies figured on the von
>Martens site given by Rich. Just don't understand how it came up. I
>certainly cannot help with the dating of Fischer & Crosse except from
>the literature as I possess no non-marine literature of that
>magnitude. </FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>Dick</FONT> </DIV>
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> <A [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Harry G. Lee</A>
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> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pachychilus
>glaphyrum?</DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>Dear Dan (et al.) - I ain't finished yet; the can of worms is
> still open,<BR><BR>The other benchmark monograph on this nonmarine fauna is
> the three volume masterwork of Fischer and Crosse:<BR><BR>Fischer, P. and H.
> Crosse, 1870 [according to the title page]. <I>Recherches zoologiques pour
> servir à l'histoire de la faune de l'Amérique Centrale et du Mexique.
>Septième
> partie. Études sur les mollusques terrestres et fluviatiles du Mexique et du
> Guatemala Septième partie.Tome premier.</I> Ministre de l'Instruction
> Publique, Paris. pp. 1-699 + 701-702 (table des matières [1878]). [This may
> have been published in parts].<BR><BR>Fischer, P. and H. Crosse, 1900
> [according to the title page]. <I>Recherches zoologiques pour servir à
> l'histoire de la faune de l'Amérique Centrale et du Mexique. Septième
>partie.
> Études sur les mollusques terrestres et fluviatiles du Mexique et du
>Guatemala
> Septième partie.Tome second</I>. Ministre de l'Instruction Publique, Paris.
> pp. 1-731. [I think this was published in parts, but my notes are
> incomplete on the chronology].<BR><BR>Fischer, P. and H. Crosse, 1900
> [according to the title page]. <I>Recherches zoologiques pour servir à
> l'histoire de la faune de l'Amérique Centrale et du Mexique</I>. Septième
> partie. Atlas. Ministre de l'Instruction Publique, Paris. 72 pls. with
>facing
> captions. [I think this was published in parts, but my notes are
>incomplete on
> the chronology; in my copy plates no. 1-3, 6-7, 10-11, 18, 20-21, 23-24, 35,
> 38-42, 44-46, 48, 51-72 are in color - 53, 54, and 58 being
> facsimiles].<BR><BR><I>Pachychilus glaphyrus</I> (Morelet, 1849) is depicted
> full-sized on pl. 53; figs. 1, 1a. On pp. 351-357 of Tome 2 F. & C.
>treat
> this species and state (p. 357) iterate five synonyms, and state that the
> illustrated form, originally named <I>Melania immanis</I> Morelet, 1851,
> attains (my translation from the French) over 100 mm ... it is only in
>eastern
> Asia that one can find melanians as notable.<BR><BR>Unlike Richie, I could
> find nothing on the Internet to allow viewing of any of the contents -
>or, for
> that matter, help pin down actual dates of publication of F. &
>C.<BR><BR>I
> think I got my copy from Dick Petit. Maybe he can illuminate us somewhat on
> the bibliophily.<BR><BR>Harry<BR><BR><BR>Harry G. Lee <BR>Suite 500 <BR>1801
> Barrs St. <BR>Jacksonville, FL 32204 <BR>USA <BR>Voice: 904-384-6419
><BR>Fax:
> 904-388-6750 <BR><[log in to unmask]> <BR>Visit the Jacksonville Shell
> Club Home Page at: <BR><FONT color=#0000ff><U><A
> href="http://www.jaxshells.org/"
>
>eudora="autourl">www.jaxshells.org</A><BR></FONT></U></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></
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Dan, Hiromi & Kuma Yoshimoto
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