I remember hearing that "ae" was the only true long "i" sound in Latin.
Whatever pronunciation I use, it doesn't matter, it's always different from others'.
David Kirsh
Durham, NC
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> On Dec 10, 2014, at 3:37 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
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> Yeah, Susan! You're my heroine for making me feel good about my pronunciation of many supposedly "Latin" names. I'm forever being reminded by the entomologists at school to pronounce correctly. But if we take yet another look at "Cypraea or Cypraeidae", we would also have to pronounce the Y as an I, wouldn't we? And I don't like the feel or sound of CIpraea or Cipraeiidae.
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> ---- "Susan J. Hewitt and/or Ed Subitzky" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> As Paul so rightly points out, there is not one person left alive who will be offended by an “incorrect” pronunciation of Latin.
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> Plus... if you think about it, we are not actually speaking Latin, we are simply using Latinized scientific names for mollusks, many of which are actually words that are made up from other languages, and don’t even exist as words in the Latin language.
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> In classical Latin studies, the soft “c”, pronounced like an “s”, was, for a long time, used as the correct pronunciation. Then the hard “c” was considered to (probably) be closer to the way that Romans actually spoke their language.
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> But we still pronounce “Caesar” as “See-ser” not "Kaiser”.
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> And we still pronounce Cypraea with a soft “c”.
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> Susan
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>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Callomon,Paul <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> The last person who spoke vernacular Latin died before the Dark Ages. There is thus no authentic "standard" or "received" Latin pronunciation.
>> Latin is a language
>> as dead as dead can be;
>> It killed the ancient Romans
>> and now it's killing me
>> (Anon., British schoolboy ca. 1900)
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>> Paul Callomon
>> Collection Manager, Malacology, Invertebrate Paleontology and General Invertebrates
>> Academy of Natural Sciences of Drexel University, Philadelphia
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>> From: Conchologists List [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of John Varner [[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2014 4:08 PM
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>> Subject: [CONCH-L] pronunciation question
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>> I am inquiring as to the correct pronunciation of Cypraeidae. For many years I have heard even knowledgeable collectors pronounce this with a soft "c", i.e.: "sipraeidae", often shortened to "sip....", but as there are no soft C's in Latin, is it not "kipraeidae", or "kypreaidae"? Are there other common blunders in shell lingo? After 50+ years of collecting, you'd think I'd have these things down....
>> Thanks in advance
>> - John
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