Dear Helmut,
Thanks for your prompt reply to my question about Conus nomenclature used by
the European Register of Marine Species (Genus Conus) vs. CLEMAM.
To view other answers to this question see
http://messages.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/coneshells/bbs?action=l&board=&tid=con
eshells&sid=1600062281&mid=3&start=
My question now is who oversees the nomenclature ? It is confusing when two
apparently professional databases provide different information. So who is
minding the minders ?
I am still hoping I may have an answer to the nomenclature question from
someone who is responsible for authenticating the information posted on
either the European Register or on CLEMAM. Watch this spot !
Cheers,
Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: "helmut nisters" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:34 AM
Subject: AW: Re: Aurel (European Register of Marine Species (Genus Conus)
vs.
> I want to answer to you all, Dear Henk and Fam. Livett,
>
> Conus ventricosus Gmelin 1791 should be a nomen dubium to some literature
> (as in Lindner).
> He and many other authors use the name Conus mediterraneus Hwass in
> Bruguiere 1792. Many collectors use both names. A few days me arrived a
> parcel from Chioggia with that species. As my Italian friends do not know
> well Latin, the transferred the name to Conus mediterraneo (italianized).
> Conus vayssieri for me is maybe a doubtful species and occurs much more in
> the Canary Islands.
> Reguarding the Westafrican species. Conus papillionaceus is maybe not a
> full species as
> byssinus and belongs to the complex of Conus pulcher. Conus pulcher is a
> most variable species
> like Conus mercator, where some malacologists have created numerous
> subspecies and form-names.
> I hope this helps too.
> with best shelling greetings
> Helmut from Innsbruck
>
> Helmut "Helix" Nisters
> private:
> Franz-Fischer-Str. 46
> A-6020 Innsbruck / Austria / Europe
> phone: 0043 / 512 / 57 32 14
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> website: www.netwing.at/nisters
> office:
> Natural History Department of the
> Tiroler Landesmuseum Ferdinandeum Innsbruck
> Feldstrasse 11a
> A-6020 Innsbruck / Austria / Europe
> phone: 0043 / 512 / 58 72 86 - 37
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> website: www.tiroler-landesmuseum.at
>
>
> ----------
> > There are two Mediterranean cone species:
> > Conus mediterranaeus Hwass, 1792 (=? ventricosus Gmelin, 1791) and
> > Conus vayssierei Pallary, 1906
> >
> > Remarks concerning the two other species:
> > Conus fumigatus is an Eritrean species which has been found once in the
> > Mediterranean Sea. It should be considered as a doubtful Lessepsian
> migrant;
> > Conus papilionaceus Hwass, 1792 is a West African species; there are a
few
> > records of finds in the Western Mediterranean, however, it does not seem
> to
> > live there. It can be best regarded as an example of biofouling caused
by
> > Mediterranean based fishing-vessels working off the coast of West
Africa.
> >
> > Henk K. Mienis
> > National Mollusc Collection
> > Dept. Evolution, Systematics & Ecology
> > Hedbrew University of Jerusalem
> > IL-91904 Jerusalem, Israel
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Livett Family <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 4:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: Aurel (European Register of Marine Species (Genus Conus)
vs.
> > Unitas Malacologica CLEMAM listing (Genus Conus)
> >
> >
> > > Dear Aurel,
> > > Welcome to CONCH-L. I hope you enjoy our company. Since you collect
> mostly
> > > Mediteranean shells, I wonder if you can provide any information about
> the
> > > naming of Mediteranean Conus. Appreciate your thoughts.
> > > Sincerely
> > > Bruce Livett
> > >
> > > The European Register of Marine Species, Genus Conus
> > > http://erms.biol.soton.ac.uk/lists/full/Mollusca.shtml#genus-Conus
> > > lists only two (2) species:
> > >
> > > Conus mediteranneus
> > > http://www.mnhn.fr/cgi-bin/mamlist?R17091
> > > and
> > >
> > > Conus vayssierei
> > > http://www.mnhn.fr/cgi-bin/mamlist?R17089
> > >
> > > whereas the
> > >
> > > Unitas Malacologica CLEMAM
> > > Checklist of European Marine Mollusca
> > > http://www.mnhn.fr/cgi-bin/mamlist?*Conus
> > > lists four (4) species.
> > >
> > > Conus fumigatus Hwass in Bruguière, 1792 (R28033)
> > > http://www.mnhn.fr/cgi-bin/mamlist?R28033
> > >
> > > Conus mediterraneus Hwass in Bruguière, 1792 (R17091)
> > > http://www.mnhn.fr/cgi-bin/mamlist?R17091
> > >
> > > Conus papilionaceus Hwass in Bruguière, 1792 (R27983)
> > > http://www.mnhn.fr/cgi-bin/mamlist?R27983
> > > and
> > > Conus vayssierei Pallary, 1906 (R17089)
> > > http://www.mnhn.fr/cgi-bin/mamlist?R17089
> > >
> > > Why the difference ? Anyone know ?
> > >
> > > View replies to this message at
> > >
> >
>
http://messages.clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/coneshells/bbs?action=l&board=&tid=con
> > > eshells&sid=1600062281&mid=3&start=
> > >
> > > ==================================================
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "User" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 12:05 AM
> > > Subject: Aurel
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > My name is Aurel and I am new to the list.
> > > > My collecting fields
> > > > landshells
> > > > freshwatershells
> > > > Mediterranean sea shells
> > > > More later
> > > > sincerly
> > > > Aurel
> > > >
> >
>
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