I was wondering if I had not been too ironical in my two latest posts after
Guido's , happily it seems that I was not :-) . If I agree that there is no
science in terminology however there is terminology in science , that is why
I found that it might be useful to give the definition of a population in
Genetics since it has nothing to do with the density of individuals per
square metre . Gijs , it was worth waiting for your very interesting and
well documented contribution ;-) . Franck
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De : Conchologists of America List
Date : 03/20/04 11:54:44
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Sujet : Re: P.S. to : Réf : Re: Lambis millepeda x Lambis lambis hybrids
OK Franck (and others) if I chocked some people, then I apologize to them. I
also want to point out we are speaking about animals, not about humans. But
this gopher is for fun and to learn something. There is no science in
terminology. I thought below is interesting. I'm reading too much things
about shell written by people who only spend their holidays occasionally
near the sea and who have no idea about how the situation in the field is.
So, they may be interested. Don't stress. Guido
On 3/20/04 6:19 PM, "Frjfr" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Happily some contributions truly substiantially elevate the intellectual
> level of our debate and not only by their , huh , terminology . Without
them
> it would sadly have remained almost level with the sea ...
>
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>
> De : Conchologists of America List
> Date : 03/19/04 23:11:36
> A : [log in to unmask]
> Sujet : Re: Lambis millepeda x Lambis lambis hybrids
>
> I frankly think these discussions are going too far. I'm living with the
> Lambis: I see them every weekend gently sitting on the bottom, a wife and
a
> female. We even don't collect them anymore (unless we decide to have them
in
> the dish) : they are for sale on the homepage for the price of a coffee in
> an Airport and few people buy. There is not such thing as "populations" of
> the two species 'Lambis lambis" or 'Lambis millepeda' in the Philippines.
> They are just around everywhere where the bottom suits, but not in
> populations. They are invidivuals as are crocata and scorpius. Strombus
> vittatus is in populations, or isabellae. Not the Lambis.
> When I'm invited in high society houses I get a dish full of Lambis lambis
> And that's it.
> How can you guys make fantasies about mating or not etc... Of an animal
not
> studied at all ? Or just think the Lambis knows he is in or out of it
range
> ? Or he is in need to mate ?
>
> One month ago, we made a dive in Pandakan Island, 3 divers, all alone on
> 8-15 m bottoms. We all came up with two Pleuroploca trapezium, making love
> in the middle of their main dish: Isognomon isognomon at 8 m depth. So, at
> that moment, at 4 o'clock in the afternoon, all the Pleuroploca near
> Pandakan decided to go out of the mud, and to fuck around in their main
> dish. Why ? Nobody knows. Maybe the same thing is true for Lambis, but
> anyhow, we don't know. We only stated this for Pleuroploca trapezium.
>
> As for me the thing is simple: occasionally out of many thousands, a
Lambis
> will get chemical contact with a Scorpius or a Millepeda and they will
just
> do it.
>
> On wheelwrighti: nodbody exactly knows the whereabouts: where does it live
> how many truncata are around etc...
>
> So, we should stop speculating, travel, dive and see. It will cost many
tens
> of thousands of dollars. After, we speak again.
>
> Guido.
>
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