Here it is again in plain text.
Marlo Krisberg wrote:
> Well, I carefully waded through the emails re: pileare, martinianum, aquatile and nicobaricum. I
> read Abbott (again) and DeJong, and I reviewed all the pictures I could find on the net (esp.
> Jacksonville Club - great work). I got out all my finds in my Florida collection. My
> conclusion: You're all mixed up and provide such poor, incomplete and contradictory comparative
> descriptions that it's impossible to tell if there really is a difference. (But, then, I guess
> that's Harry's point.) It's pretty clear there is a nicobaricum, and aquatile is "probably"
> distinct. Those of you who make aquatile and martinianum simply forms of pileare have a pretty
> good case.
> The enclosure compares the four using the data from Abbott (as interpreted by Dr. Lee), the email
> comments and internet pictures. The comparison is restricted to the mouth and siphonal canal
> since that is what was discussed in the emails. Comments please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> The enclosure is in WORD95. If it doesn't got thru, won't open or is unreadable, and you'd like a
> copy, email me direct and I'll try again. It is in tabular form and I'm going to copy it below.
> However, it will probably come thru in a mess.
>
> A COMPARISON OF THREE WESTERN ATLANTIC CYMATIUMS TO PILEARE (LINNE, 1758)
>
> Martinianum (Orbigny, 1845)
> Nicobaricum (Roding, 1758)
> Acquatile (Reeve,1844)
>
> The following data is derived from a discussion thread on CONCH-L during the last week of
> September, 1999. It summarizes the distinctive characteristics of three species of Cymatium often
> mistaken as pileare. It was the consensus of the discussion group that pileare is a species
> restricted to the Indo-Pacific and that this name has been erroneously applied in the literature
> to the three Western Atlantic species compared below.
>
> CHARACTER martinianum nicobaricum
> acquatile pileare
>
> Outer lip paired, white teeth appears scalloped paired, white
> teeth. paired, white teeth
> extending into from pronounced single, rather
> large, whitish extending into aperture
> aperture unpaired, white teeth just
> inside lip
> teeth
> Outer lip - color Reddish-orange orange
>
> Aperture appears less elong- less elongated, large, elongated,
> orange-pink large, elongated, red
> ated, orange orange
>
> Columella black (dark brown), orange
> orange-pink deep orange, streaked
> with white
> teeth
> with black
>
> Columellar teeth irregular, white, irregular, white, irregular,
> white, irregular, white,
> extending into shell extending into shell extending
> into shell extending into shell
>
> Siphonal canal straight long short, curved
> toward short, curves dorsally
>
> outer lip
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> Marlo
> Merritt Island, Florida
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> Harry G. Lee wrote:
>
>> Since we have this species, as well as C. aquatile, in Jacksonville waters,
>> we have taken an interest in its taxonomy and nomenclature.
>>
>> In my microfiche version of pp. 162-3 of volume 7 part 2 (1853? edition; ?
>> the earliest iteration of this text; no illustration in the companion
>> atlas) of d'Orbigny [Mollusques. In: Histoire Physique, Politique, et
>> Naturelle de l’île de Cuba by Ramón de la Sagra. Paris.; dates for
>> d'Orbigny are apparently not completely fixed] reads: "Cette espèce, bien
>> distincte du Triton pileare par sa bouche rougeâtre et non marquée de
>> taches alternes noires et blanches..." meaning (to a tyro like me this
>> French appears ambiguous and agrammatical): "This species, quite distinct
>> from Cymatium pileare [Linnaeus] by its reddish aperture and not marked
>> with alternating black and white blotches..." Which is to say, C. pileare
>> has a red aperture and lacks the black blotches between the white parietal
>> teeth seen in the orange-mouthed C. maritinianum. Furthermore, C. m. is
>> stockier (less elongate aperture, shorter siphonal canal, relatively
>> broader outline). In my experience, W. Atlantic shells are identical to
>> those collected in the E. Atlantic, but all Atlantic shells can easily be
>> distinguished from Indo-Pacific specimens. I think d'Orbigny had it right;
>> two separate species.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> At 06:18 PM 9/25/99 -0400, you wrote:
>> >Andrew Vik
>> >Tampa, Fl., USA
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>> >
>> >Paul:
>> >
>> >I believe that C. martinianum (Orbigny, 1845) is actually the W.
>> >Atlantic/Caribbean subspecies of C. pileare (Linne, 1758). Thus, you can
>> >refer to Caribbean C. pileare as Cymatium pileare martinianum (Orb.,
>> >1845). C. aquatile (Reeve, 1844) is also a subspecies of C. pileare, but
>> >I think it is only found in the Indo-W.Pacific region. I have collected
>> >C. p. martinianum in the Florida Keys and C. p. aquatile in Hawaii, and
>> >to tell the truth, I don't see a hugh difference between the two.
>> >
>> >Andrew.
>> >
>> >Paul Kanner wrote:
>> >
>> I have a question. I have a special interest in the Ranellidae but am very
>> >> confused by the differences between Cymatiums pileare, aquatile and
>> >> martinianum. I have collected a couple of specimens in Belize that
>> >> appear to look more like aquatile. I have also collected a 55mm
>> >> specimen from the same area that looks like a small pileare. Just what
>> >> is martinianum?
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Marlo
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